CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* Did the Battelle High Energy Temperature Incendiary Project involve Dugway-Made Anthrax From Ivins Flask 1030, Acetone Drying, And Subtilis Contamination?

Posted by DXer on October 12, 2015


8 Responses to “* Did the Battelle High Energy Temperature Incendiary Project involve Dugway-Made Anthrax From Ivins Flask 1030, Acetone Drying, And Subtilis Contamination?”

  1. DXer said

    Remind me: What was the Battelle High Energy Temperature Incendiary Project? Did that involve genetically matching Ames at one point? Were they testing whether anthrax would be destroyed by 7,000 degree upon reentry of a missile? Or were they testing whether it could be destroyed by a laser.

    Wasn’t it fallacious for Scott Decker to rule out Battelle and Dugway on the grounds that people who had access did not travel on the dates?

    A person with access could simply provide the anthrax to someone who had travelled. For that matter, there is no evidence that Ivins travelled. None. Take a deep breath, Scott. None. Not a scintilla of evidence. Instead the FBI and Scott Decker are withholding the FBI 302 interview statements by Ivins’ family that describe Ivins’ alibi. (Ivins’ son, if he wanted, could obtain his 302 under FOIA, but others could too if they put up a stink).

    By way of an example, Rauf Ahmad could access the Ames, and hand it off to Zawahiri, who would hand it off to KSM/Yazid Sufaat… who would process it with Al-Barq and another, at the Kandahar lab (where the Ames strain was detected by both the FBI and CIA), and then they would hand it off on 9/11 at KSM’s house to Adnan El-Shukrijumah, who had cased NYC and DC the previous summer. (The FBI confirms Adnan entered the country).

    But Decker was wily nilly eliminating people on the grounds that they did not travel to New Jersey on the dates of mailing. He — without any basis better than a bloodhound smelling dogs that he favored as an investigative technique — was assuming that the mailer was the same person as the processor. There was no basis at all for that assumption. It was a very reckless premise of his analysis.

  2. DXer said

    Battelle managed Life Sciences at Dugway and the interview above about the Battelle project is a scientist at Dugway.

    Here, USAMRIID sent Dugway Ames at the same time it sent Dugway Vollum 1B.

    Click to access 76_Form%2011R_1-11-2000%20Redacted.pdf

  3. DXer said

    For anyone interested in a Battelle theory, compare the inventory sheet for mid-June 2001 against the Form 11R produced today by USAMRIID relating to the transfer to Battelle.

    The Form 11R for June 15 indicates that only 30 ml. was sent. Yet 50 ml. was withdrawn. What explains the discrepancy? How much really was sent?

    Relatedly, 90 ml. reportedly was withdrawn for the other Batttelle shipment, but only 50 ml. was recorded as sent on the Form 11R.

    Note that the FBI was very excited about the discrepancy. See agent’s exclamation point.

    There are contemporaneous emails addressing the shipments, packaging etc. but I don’t recall them to bear directly on these discrepancies.

    I find interesting issues raised by so many of the Form 11Rs. Contemporaneous documens are a good thing.

  4. DXer said

    Is the FBI hiding evidence that this 340 ml. of genetically matching, acetone dried, virulent Ames (with likely subtilis contamination) went missing?

    Ex-FBI official: Agency is hiding evidence in anthrax case
    The Seattle Times‎ – Apr 15, 2015

    The Associated Press
    A former director of the FBI’s anthrax investigation says the agency is concealing evidence that casts doubt on its conclusion that Army scientist Bruce Ivins sent the anthrax-filled letters that killed five people and sickened 17 others in 2001.

    Lambert, who is also a lawyer, says in his lawsuit that while Ivins might have been the mailer, the circumstantial case against him would not have been enough for a conviction. He says there is a “wealth” of contrary evidence, “which the FBI continues to conceal from Congress and the American people.”

    Under Lambert’s direction, relatively early in the probe, anthrax investigators focused on another Army scientist, Steven Hatfill, who was eventually cleared. Hatfill received $5.8 million to settle his violation-of-privacy lawsuit against the Justice Department.

    The alleged mismanagement included “the FBI’s fingering of Bruce Ivins as the anthrax mailer” and “the FBI’s subsequent efforts to railroad the prosecution of Ivins in the face of daunting exculpatory evidence,” Lambert says in his lawsuit.

    Lambert says his whistleblower complaints also included understaffing of the investigation; inexperienced team members; restrictions on information sharing; and the FBI laboratory’s deliberate concealment from the team of its discovery of human DNA on an anthrax-filled envelope addressed to U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy.

  5. DXer said

    The face is Vulcan, God of Fire. (The ongoing DTRA/Navy project was Vulcan Fire.)

    I worked to burn out a stump yesterday, into the night.

  6. DXer said

    As I recall, my friend, Dr. Kiel, who was in charge of a lab destroying anthrax with high energy beams (lasers), said that he didn’t think lyophilization was used. He said that results in (undersirable) changes that would have been observed. (As I recall, Bruce Ivins said the same thing).

    Instead, was acetone drying method used? Traces of acetone found.


    NAS: “Trace elements of ethanol, acetone, and t-butanol were identified.” (4.8 Volatile Organic Comppounds).
    NAS report, prepublication copy- unedited proofs, p. 73. available online.

    Dr. Ivins thought an acetone drying method may have been used.


    Click to access amx-investigative-summary2.pdf

    A few weeks after Dr. Ivins’s house was searched in November 2007, he sent an e-mail to a former USAMRIID researcher listing the following reasons that a current USAMRIID researcher could be involved in the mailings: . . . “he know[s] how to make anthrax into a bioweapon, he’s made millions off the letters . . . the rest of us are trying to scrape by, but he and [the two individuals in management at USAMRIID] have done very well for themselves, as has [the vaccine production company whose vaccine was failing prior to the anthrax attacks] and some other tech companies. . . . He walks over into the office and prompltly [sic] tells me how he’d use an organic solvent (like acetone or alochol [sic]) to pull water out of purified spores and then easily make them into powder.” (p. 73)

    Others suggest the same thing.

    Amerithrax Part 03 of 30 – The Vault – FBI
    AMERITHRAX case.[:::::::] …… AMERITHRAX Squad 3 AMX 3! of the Washington Field …… [::::::] believes that acetone drying is a lot easier, safer,….….0…1ac.1.34.img..6.9.1629.Bps_inOdj6o
    Heine told the FBI the only other way he could think to dry the anthrax would be to use acetone, which would pull out the water.
    “I have no idea what that would do to the spores and whether they’d still be viable,” he said, adding there would likely be evidence that acetone was used.

    See also “Evidence for the Source of the 2001 Attack Anthrax”
    Martin E. Hugh-Jones1*, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg2, and Stuart Jacobsen3
    1Professor Emeritus, Louisiana State University; Anthrax Moderator, ProMED-mail, USA
    2Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research and State Univ. of NY-Purchase (retired), USA
    3Technical Consultant Silicon Materials, Dallas, TX, USA
    *Corresponding author: Martin E. Hugh-Jones
    Received October 01, 2012; Accepted December 12, 2012; Published December 17, 2012

    “The FBI/Dugway sample preparation plan had called for some additional samples to be dried by an (undescribed) acetone method in use at Dugway, but this part of the plan was evidently set aside, although portions of pastes from two other samples were eventually acetone dried – but they were never named, further processed, described or analyzed, at least not in publicly-released documents. Acetone drying might have obviated any reason for milling: Bruce Ivins, who assisted the FBI in the early part of the investigation, later quoted one of his USAMRIID colleagues as telling him “he’d use an organic solvent like acetone or alcohol to pull water out of purified spores and then easily make them into powder”.”

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