CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* Was Flask 1030 (Notebook 3655) the source of the Fall 2001 anthrax mailings rather than Flask 1029 (Notebook 4010)?

Posted by DXer on October 15, 2015

flask - RMR 1029

flask – RMR 1029


13 Responses to “* Was Flask 1030 (Notebook 3655) the source of the Fall 2001 anthrax mailings rather than Flask 1029 (Notebook 4010)?”

  1. DXer said

    You need to read the GAO report. In that they showed very convincingly that though the letter spores had the same genomic strains as the spores in flask 1029 the volumes of each of the four strains was totally different. Off the cuff the letter volumes were approximately equal while the flask contents were extremely diverse. And as they said, the letter contents could not have originated from Flask 1029, though both might have a common originating facility.

  2. DXer said

    Note that even as to Flask 1029, 12 of the 22 production dates (re 1029) were from Dugway.

  3. DXer said

    “She said Dugway did make one- pound quantities of Bacillus subtilis, a benign germ sometimes used to simulate anthrax. Mr. Patrick could not be reached for comment on this point.”


    “Ms. Nicholson said the dry anthrax made in 1998 was of the strain known as Vollum 1B, which the Army used to make anthrax weapons before the United States renounced biological arms in 1969. She said it was used for decontamination studies.

    “You have to use live spores because you are determining the rates of inactivation or kill,” she said.”

    U.S. Recently Produced Anthrax in a Highly Lethal Powder Form, December 13, 2001

    Comment: So at Dugway, you have bacillus subtilis contamination of Ames, and you a genetic match. Who was involved in the decontamination study/studies? Was it the former Zawahiri associate testing his nanoemulsion?

    Anthrax, Al Qaeda and Ayman Zawahiri: The Infiltration of US Biodefense

  4. DXer said

    Both Flask 1030 and Dugway sample had the Silicon Signature — and Flask 1029 did not.

  5. DXer said

    Flask 1030 was known as CDC7738 (the designation assigned when it was registered in Building 1412). Ot was located in the 1st Floor cold room of Building 1412.

    The genetically matching sample from CDC7738 was obtained from Building 1412, and not Building 1425 ; a key false premise of the FBI’s “Ivins Theory” Announced in early August 2008 was that only 100 at USAMRIID needed to be eliminated rather than up to 300 (and that was just considering those with access at USAMRIID)
    Posted by Lew Weinstein on May 19, 2014

  6. DXer said

    Dr. Ivins told the FBI that transfers to researchers at USAMRIID were not recorded by an EA 101 transfer form. Indeed, in 1998, EA 101s were a new requirement under a 1997 law and many scientists might not have been fully versed in the law’s requirements.

    When Dr. Hamouda worked alongside Bruce ivins and was supplied virulent Ames for his sophisticated work on a decontamination agent based on a nanoemulsion, was he supplied the Ames from Flask 1030 rather than Flask 1029? There is no record of a withdrawal from Flask 1029. Did the Ames instead come from Flask 1030? (I don’t know)

    Was Dr. Hamouda also provided irradiated Ames from Flask 1030? (I don’t know).

    TH was a non-citizen whose childhood friends and medical school mates had been recruited into jihad by Dr. Ayman Zawahiri, who visited the medical school on his recruitment trips. Was it consistent with regulations monitored by the CDC to supply virulent Ames to a non-citizen? (I don’t know) Isn’t the CDC’s entire inspection this past month related to compliance with such regulations? Does a simple in-person visit by a foreign national avoid the transfer requirement and regulatory oversight?

    Is it all a matter of who you know in the lucrative. revolving-door field of biodefense?

    Is the person who approved Tarek’s visit — Dr. Ivins had not known he was a non-citizen until he arrived — the same person who told Bruce that the FBI situation was under control and that there would be justifications for missing samples if the need arose?

    The Commerce Department, by way of example, shot down a request by Ivins to supply virulent Ames to Israel. There is a substantial passage in an Ivins 302 interview report on the subject. The more one studies Amerithrax the more reasonable alternative theories seem.

    People should put aside their pet theories and conclusions and join and seeking additional probative documents such as Notebook 3655 relating to Flask 1030.

    Anthrax, Al Qaeda and Ayman Zawahiri: The Infiltration of US Biodefense

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