CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* 9/11 Congressional press conference tomorrow: Anthrax mailing suspect Adnan El-Shukrijumah, son of a salaried Saudi missionary, was at this Sarasota, FL home with his accomplice, 911 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta.

Posted by DXer on January 6, 2015

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DXer says Adnan El-Shukrijumah

is the anthrax mailer

… on or about 9/13/2001, Adnan El-Shukrijumah phoned from KSM’s house to tell his mom he was coming to the US

Posted by Lew Weinstein on June 6, 2014

Senate Torture Report: KSM wrote bin al-Shibh a letter referencing “Jafar the Pilot” and indicating that “Jafar” “ought to prepare himself” to smuggle himself from Mexico ; the letter was seized in September 2002
Posted by Lew Weinstein on December 10, 2014

In February 2003, the FBI announced that “Jafar the Pilot” (aka Adnan El-Shukrijumah) had entered the country sometime after September 1, 2001
Posted by Lew Weinstein on September 26, 2014

In Sarasota investigation, who was the person associated with the hijackers’ flight school who was discovered to have re-entered the country after 9/11?
Posted by Lew Weinstein on September 21, 2014

50 Responses to “* 9/11 Congressional press conference tomorrow: Anthrax mailing suspect Adnan El-Shukrijumah, son of a salaried Saudi missionary, was at this Sarasota, FL home with his accomplice, 911 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta.”

  1. DXer said

    Blumenthal seeks declassification of last 9/11 documents

    By: The Associated Press
    Posted: Jul 28, 2018 12:50 PM EDT

    Updated: Jul 31, 2018 05:24 AM EDT

    HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) – U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut says he plans to introduce a resolution that calls for declassifying all remaining documents related to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

    The Democrat is scheduled to appear Monday at the Legislative Office Building in Hartford with survivors and families of the 9/11 victims. Blumenthal contends the documents may reveal unknown connections between the terrorists and foreign nations.

    Related Content: Fund to protect 9/11 first responders is safeguarded

    Brett Eagleson of Middletown, who was 15 when his father Bruce was killed in the attack on the World Trade Center’s twin towers in New York, is scheduled to be on hand.

    In April, his and other families announced plans to step up pressure to compel the CIA, the FBI and others to turn over information that could shed light on potential complicity by Saudi Arabia.

  2. DXer said

    Senate, House Measures Urge Release of 9/11 Documents

    September 9, 2018 editor28pages
    Update: The Senate resolution has passed. Now, call your House representative and urge them to cosponsor H.Res.663.

    By Brian P. McGlinchey

    As the world marks the seventeenth anniversary of 9/11, legislators have introduced resolutions in both the House and Senate urging the broad declassification of U.S. government documents relating to the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people.

    As with the successful drive to declassify 28 pages on Saudi government links to the 9/11 attacks, this latest effort has support on both sides of the aisle.

  3. DXer said

    By Chris Anderson
    Posted Sep 23, 2018 at 9:03 PM Updated Sep 25, 2018 at 11:49 AM

    After the 9/11 attacks, the FBI pulled 10 hard drives from computers at the Venice library. They’re now the property of Sarasota County government

  4. DXer said

    Trump praises Gianforte, recounting his assault on reporter
    David Knowles
    Oct 18th 2018 10:31PM

    I wonder if before leaving, White House Counsel Don McGahn advised the President that it would be unwise to participate in the cover-up of the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi — as to this issue of who knew what when and who was authorizing things.

    They don’t come smarter than CIA Director Pompeo. He should view the Khashoggi in terms of an assault and murder of a journalist rather than a matter of political inexpedience.

    Pompeo’s grin upon meeting the King raises the question whether he and the President are thinking clearly on the issue. The remarks at the Montana rally indicate that President Trump is not thinking clearly on the issue. We are talking history here — and criminal law in a world where no one can be above the law. Not even Saudi Arabia or MBS. Not if America is going to be great again.

    I used to live next to a memorial for slain journalists on Wilson Blvd in Arlington, VA at a walkway outside the USA Today building.

    Reporters worldwide will not be able to rely on President Trump on the issue and need to uncover and publish the facts.

    If President Trump and Pompeo are on the wrong side of history — which by the way will be written by the journalists — they can hope that they have good counsel.

    Let’s start by having Sabah upload the audiotape and having a transcript translated.

  5. DXer said

    The ball is in Jack Quinn’s squash court to appreciate that Amerithrax, Adnan Shukrijumah and Sarasota involves the same issues as the attack two weeks earlier.

    Jack Quinn, who served as White House chief counsel under President Bill Clinton and retains powerful connections in Washington, is helping the legal team craft strategy.

    “As far as I’m concerned, there’s simply no doubt that charities and other institutions associated in one way or another with the Saudi government, and individuals associated with the Saudi government, were providing material support to al Qaida, the designated terrorist organization that carried out this attack,” Quinn told McClatchy. “It is inevitable that the time will come, hopefully in the not-too-distant future, when the Saudis will have to answer these allegations in court.”

    The law firms are working pro bono. Having already donated tens of millions of dollars to the cause, they hope to recoup payment via a large settlement with the Saudi government.

    Quinn and James Kreindler negotiated the 2003 deal in which Libya agreed to pay $2.7 billion to the families of 270 people killed Dec. 21, 1988, when Pam Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland.

  6. DXer said

    EXCLUSIVE: 9/11 families sue Saudi Arabia, accuse the U.S. ally of complicity in the terrorist attacks

    Posted 1:52 PM, March 20, 2017, by Marvin Scott,

    NEW YORK — In a stunning lawsuit seeking to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for 9/11, the families of 800 victims have filed a lawsuit accusing the Saudis of complicity in the worst terror attacks on American soil.

    The legal action, filed in federal court in Manhattan, details a scenario of involvement by Saudi officials who are said to have aided some of the hijackers before the attacks.

    Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals and three of them had previously worked for the kingdom.

    The document details how officials from Saudi embassies supported hijackers Salem al-Hazmi and Khalid Al-Mihdhar 18 months before 9/11.

    The officials allegedly helped them find apartments, learn English and obtain credit cards and cash. The documents state that the officials helped them learn how to blend into the American landscape.

    The suit also produces evidence that officials in the Saudi embassy in Germany supported lead hijacker Mohamed Atta. It claims that a Saudi official was in the same hotel in Virginia with several hijackers the night before the attacks.

    Many of the revelations in the lawsuit are culled from findings of an FBI investigation into the terrorist attacks. The suit filed by aviation law firm Kreindler & Kreindler claims some of the hijackers had special markers in their passports, identifying them as al-Qaida sympathizers.

    The lawsuit asserts that the Saudi royals, who for years had been trying to curry favor with fundamentalists to avoid losing power, were aware that funds from Saudi charities were being funneled to al-Qaida.

    Aviation attorney Jim Kreindler told PIX11 News: “The charities were alter egos of the Saudi government.”

    The lawsuit spells out how money was transferred from charities in Saudi Arabia to the terror group.

    Charities the lawsuit claims fronted for al-Qaida include the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, an organization that was designated by the U.S. as a sponsor of terrorism.

    Kreindler maintains that there was a direct link between all the charities and Osama bin Laden and that they operated with the full knowledge of Saudi officials.

    The legal document claims that the Saudis used a variety of means to conceal the money trail to al-Qaida.

    “The Saudis were so duplicitous,” Kreindler said. “They claim to be allies fighting with U.S. against Iran, while at the same time working with the terrorists. There’s no question they had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.”

    Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama had resisted efforts to hold Saudi Arabia accountable. The kingdom is a key ally against Iran, and its oil interests are important to the United States.

    • DXer said

      But the 9/11 families’ fortunes changed in September, when during a distracting, raucous 2016 presidential campaign, Congress delivered the only veto override of Obama’s eight-year tenure and made the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, or JASTA, settled law.

      It has already had an effect: While JASTA was being debated, a federal judge in New York ordered Iran to pay the families and insurance companies $14 billion for having allowed some of the hijackers to enter and leave the country before Sept. 11 without having transit visas stamped in their passports. Such visas would have made it more difficult for them to enter the United States.

      Now, the families are heading to court in the coming weeks, seeking a punitive payout that legal experts say could exceed $1 trillion.

      • DXer said

        Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act


        [[Page 130 STAT. 852]]

        Public Law 114-222
        114th Congress

        An Act

        To deter terrorism, provide justice for victims, and for other
        purposes. <<NOTE: Sep. 28, 2016 – [S. 2040]>>

        Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
        United States of America in Congress assembled, <<NOTE: Justice Against
        Sponsors of Terrorism Act.>>
        SECTION 1. <<NOTE: 18 USC 1 note.>> SHORT TITLE.

        This Act may be cited as the “Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism
        SEC. 2. <<NOTE: 18 USC 2333 note.>> FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.

        (a) Findings.–Congress finds the following:
        (1) International terrorism is a serious and deadly problem
        that threatens the vital interests of the United States.
        (2) International terrorism affects the interstate and
        foreign commerce of the United States by harming international
        trade and market stability, and limiting international travel by
        United States citizens as well as foreign visitors to the United
        (3) Some foreign terrorist organizations, acting through
        affiliated groups or individuals, raise significant funds
        outside of the United States for conduct directed and targeted
        at the United States.
        (4) It is necessary to recognize the substantive causes of
        action for aiding and abetting and conspiracy liability under
        chapter 113B of title 18, United States Code.
        (5) The decision of the United States Court of Appeals for
        the District of Columbia in Halberstam v. Welch, 705 F.2d 472
        (D.C. Cir. 1983), which has been widely recognized as the
        leading case regarding Federal civil aiding and abetting and
        conspiracy liability, including by the Supreme Court of the
        United States, provides the proper legal framework for how such
        liability should function in the context of chapter 113B of
        title 18, United States Code.
        (6) Persons, entities, or countries that knowingly or
        recklessly contribute material support or resources, directly or
        indirectly, to persons or organizations that pose a significant
        risk of committing acts of terrorism that threaten the security
        of nationals of the United States or the national security,
        foreign policy, or economy of the United States, necessarily
        direct their conduct at the United States, and should reasonably
        anticipate being brought to court in the United States to answer
        for such activities.
        (7) The United States has a vital interest in providing
        persons and entities injured as a result of terrorist attacks
        committed within the United States with full access to the

        [[Page 130 STAT. 853]]

        court system in order to pursue civil claims against persons,
        entities, or countries that have knowingly or recklessly
        provided material support or resources, directly or indirectly,
        to the persons or organizations responsible for their injuries.

        (b) Purpose.–The purpose of this Act is to provide civil litigants
        with the broadest possible basis, consistent with the Constitution of
        the United States, to seek relief against persons, entities, and foreign
        countries, wherever acting and wherever they may be found, that have
        provided material support, directly or indirectly, to foreign
        organizations or persons that engage in terrorist activities against the
        United States.

        (a) In General.–Chapter 97 of title 28, United States Code, is
        amended by inserting after section 1605A the following:
        “Sec. 1605B. <<NOTE: 28 USC 1605B.>> Responsibility of foreign
        states for international terrorism against the
        United States

        “(a) Definition.–In this section, the term `international
        “(1) has the meaning given the term in section 2331 of
        title 18, United States Code; and
        “(2) does not include any act of war (as defined in that

        “(b) Responsibility of Foreign States.–A foreign state shall not
        be immune from the jurisdiction of the courts of the United States in
        any case in which money damages are sought against a foreign state for
        physical injury to person or property or death occurring in the United
        States and caused by–
        “(1) an act of international terrorism in the United
        States; and
        “(2) a tortious act or acts of the foreign state, or of any
        official, employee, or agent of that foreign state while acting
        within the scope of his or her office, employment, or agency,
        regardless where the tortious act or acts of the foreign state

        “(c) Claims by Nationals of the United States.–Notwithstanding
        section 2337(2) of title 18, a national of the United States may bring a
        claim against a foreign state in accordance with section 2333 of that
        title if the foreign state would not be immune under subsection (b).
        “(d) Rule of Construction.–A foreign state shall not be subject to
        the jurisdiction of the courts of the United States under subsection (b)
        on the basis of an omission or a tortious act or acts that constitute
        mere negligence.”.
        (b) Technical and Conforming Amendments.–
        (1) The table of sections for chapter 97 of title 28, United
        States Code, is <<NOTE: 28 USC 1602 prec.>> amended by inserting
        after the item relating to section 1605A the following:

        “1605B. Responsibility of foreign states for international terrorism
        against the United States.”.

        (2) Subsection 1605(g)(1)(A) of title 28, United States
        Code, is amended by inserting “or section 1605B” after “but
        for section 1605A”.

        [[Page 130 STAT. 854]]


        (a) In General.–Section 2333 of title 18, United States Code, is
        amended by adding at the end the following:
        “(d) Liability.–
        “(1) Definition.–In this subsection, the term `person’ has
        the meaning given the term in section 1 of title 1.
        “(2) Liability.–In an action under subsection (a) for an
        injury arising from an act of international terrorism committed,
        planned, or authorized by an organization that had been
        designated as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219
        of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189), as of
        the date on which such act of international terrorism was
        committed, planned, or authorized, liability may be asserted as
        to any person who aids and abets, by knowingly providing
        substantial assistance, or who conspires with the person who
        committed such an act of international terrorism.”.

        (b) <<NOTE: 18 USC 2333 note.>> Effect on Foreign Sovereign
        Immunities Act.–Nothing in the amendment made by this section affects
        immunity of a foreign state, as that term is defined in section 1603 of
        title 28, United States Code, from jurisdiction under other law.
        SEC. 5. <<NOTE: Claims. Courts. 18 USC 1605B note.>> STAY OF

        (a) Exclusive Jurisdiction.–The courts of the United States shall
        have exclusive jurisdiction in any action in which a foreign state is
        subject to the jurisdiction of a court of the United States under
        section 1605B of title 28, United States Code, as added by section 3(a)
        of this Act.
        (b) Intervention.–The Attorney General may intervene in any action
        in which a foreign state is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of
        the United States under section 1605B of title 28, United States Code,
        as added by section 3(a) of this Act, for the purpose of seeking a stay
        of the civil action, in whole or in part.
        (c) Stay.–
        (1) <<NOTE: Certification.>> In general.–A court of the
        United States may stay a proceeding against a foreign state if
        the Secretary of State certifies that the United States is
        engaged in good faith discussions with the foreign state
        defendant concerning the resolution of the claims against the
        foreign state, or any other parties as to whom a stay of claims
        is sought.
        (2) Duration.–
        (A) In general.–A stay under this section may be
        granted for not more than 180 days.
        (B) Extension.–
        (i) In general.–The Attorney General may
        petition the court for an extension of the stay
        for additional 180-day periods.
        (ii) Recertification.–A court shall grant an
        extension under clause (i) if the Secretary of
        State recertifies that the United States remains
        engaged in good faith discussions with the foreign
        state defendant concerning the resolution of the
        claims against the foreign state, or any other
        parties as to whom a stay of claims is sought.

        [[Page 130 STAT. 855]]

        SEC. 6. <<NOTE: 18 USC 2333 note.>> SEVERABILITY.

        If any provision of this Act or any amendment made by this Act, or
        the application of a provision or amendment to any person or
        circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this Act and the
        amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions and
        amendments to any other person not similarly situated or to other
        circumstances, shall not be affected by the holding.
        SEC. 7. <<NOTE: Applicability. 18 USC 2333 note.>> EFFECTIVE

        The amendments made by this Act shall apply to any civil action–
        (1) pending on, or commenced on or after, the date of
        enactment of this Act; and
        (2) arising out of an injury to a person, property, or
        business on or after September 11, 2001.

        Mac Thornberry

        Speaker of the House of Representatives pro tempore.

        John Cornyn

        Acting President of the Senate pro tempore.


        September 28, 2016.

        The Senate having proceeded to reconsider the bill (S. 2040) entitled
        “An Act to deter terrorism, provide justice for victims, and for other
        purposes.”, returned by the President of the United States with his
        objections, to the Senate, in which it originated, it was
        Resolved, That the said bill pass, two-thirds of the Senators present
        having voted in the affirmative.

        Julie E. Adams


        I certify that this Act originated in Senate.

        Julie E. Adams


        [[Page 130 STAT. 856]]


        September 28, 2016.

        The House of Representatives having proceeded to reconsider the bill
        (S. 2040) entitled “An Act to deter terrorism, provide justice for
        victims, and for other purposes.”, returned by the President of the
        United States with his objections, to the Senate, in which it
        originated, and passed by the Senate on reconsideration of the same, it
        Resolved, That the said bill do pass, two-thirds of the House of
        Representatives agreeing to pass the same.

        Karen L. Haas



        CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 162 (2016):
        May 17, considered and passed Senate.
        Sept. 9, considered and passed House.
        Sept. 23, Presidential veto message.
        CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 162 (2016):
        Sept. 28, Senate and House overrode veto.

      • DXer said

        JASTA applies …

        (2) arising out of an injury to a person, property, or
        business on or after September 11, 2001.

  7. DXer said

    Does the FBI really turn over ever rock?

    Did the FBI ever consider the intel that Shukrijumah, who coordinated with Atta at the Sarasota residence, came to the US after meeting with Al Qaeda anthrax lab director at KSM’s house on or about September 11, 2001?

    (The FBI didn’t even share any of the Sarasota info with the investigating Congressional committee).

    Similarly, in Isabella Gardner, did the FBI ever dig at Bobby Guarente’s farmhouse in Maine? (I’ve uploaded pictures). (I went there but was shooed away before I ever got an answer).

    And did the FBI ever dig at Bobby Gentile’s used car lot biz at John Fitch in Manchester, CT? (I came within a block last month when the traffic light blocked my progress and then I forgot to go back with a claw digger). (Then a couple days later, in Philadelphia, my Wyndham hotel room was burglarized with the help of an employee.)

    Gentile was in the used car biz in early 1990s — but was also simultaneously in concrete slab laying biz.

    He was the cook on Luisi’s crew, as I recall. Luisi was the subject of today’s fascinating, groundbreaking article which discusses this subject of concrete slabs.

    Notorious Boston mobster-turned-pastor has clues about Gardner heist

  8. DXer said

    “It is going to increase the questioning of the Saudis’ role supporting the hijackers,” Graham told CNN. “I think of this almost as the 28 pages are sort of the cork in the wine bottle. And once it’s out, hopefully the rest of the wine itself will start to pour out.” — former Senator Graham

  9. DXer said

    June 16, 2016 at 5:01 am
    FOIA lawsuit disputes 9-11 Review Commission effort to discredit sensational FBI report

    Filed under 9/11, A1 Top Story, FBI {3 comments}

    For more than a year, the FBI has declined to make public any additional information about the 9/11 Review Commission. On Wednesday, for the second time in four years, the’s nonprofit corporate parent sued the FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice – this time using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to seek records about the FBI’s 9/11 Review Commission.

    Broward Bulldog Inc. sued in 2012 for access to FBI records about its once- secret investigation of a Saudi family living in Sarasota with apparent ties to the 9/11 hijackers. Since 2014, a federal judge in Fort Lauderdale has been reviewing more than 80,000 pages of 9/11 documents produced by the FBI for possible public release.

    Wednesday’s complaint seeks to discover the basis for and the reliability of the 9/11 Review Commission’s findings and recommendations.

    Specifically, the lawsuit focuses on the Review Commission’s conclusions about a sensational April 16, 2002 FBI report that investigators found contained “many connections” between the Sarasota Saudis and “individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001.” The report also said a Saudi family member had attended a flight training school attended by the terrorists.

    The Review Commission, after reviewing unspecified FBI records and being briefed by the FBI, found that allegations the Saudi family was connected the 9/11 plot were “unsubstantiated” and called the FBI report “poorly written and inaccurate.” The Review Commission, however, interviewed none of the independent witnesses whose accounts were corroborated by the FBI report, and did not examine why the FBI kept its Sarasota investigation secret for a decade.

    The “9/11 Review Commission’s finding is false, unsupported by credible evidence, and intended to discredit truthful facts that were accurately reported in the April 16, 2002 FBI report,” says the new FOIA complaint prepared by Miami attorney Thomas Julin.

    FBI investigation made public after a decade

    The Florida Bulldog, working with Irish author Anthony Summers, first reported about the FBI’s Sarasota probe days before the 10th anniversary of the attacks in September 2011. Neighbors of Abdulaziz and Anoud al Hijji called authorities after the couple moved abruptly out of their home about two weeks before the terrorist attacks, leaving behind cars, clothes, furniture and other personal items.

    Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress’s Joint Inquiry into the attacks, said the FBI did not disclose the Sarasota probe to Congress. The matter was also not addressed by the 9/11 Commission.

    The FBI later acknowledged its investigation, but said it found no connection to the 9/11 plot. The FBI also claimed it disclosed its Sarasota investigation to Congress.

    In response to the Bulldog’s repeated FOIA requests, the FBI offered no responsive records. Six months after the first lawsuit was filed, however, the FBI released a copy of its April 2002 report, heavily censored for reasons of national security. The report contradicted FBI public statements downplaying the significance of its Sarasota investigation and corroborated the accounts of a counterterrorism officer and others that were the basis for the original news story.

    The new FOIA suit comes 14 months after the Bulldog’s initial FOIA request for access to 9/11 Review Commission’s records, including an April 30, 2014 “Memorandum for the Record” about the FBI’s disputed 2002 report.

    The FBI has produced no documents in response to those requests nor cited any reason to justify the lack of disclosure. Federal law requires government agencies to determine whether to comply with a FOIA request in 20 working days.


    How much did FBI pay commissioners?

    The FBI paid the commissioners and commission executive director John C. Gannon, a former CIA Deputy Director for Intelligence, under personal services contracts that made them de facto FBI employees. Those contracts are among numerous documents sought in the new FOIA suit.

    Meese, Hoffman, Roemer and Gannon each declined to be interviewed about the Review Commission.

    Congress appropriated a total of $2.5 million to the FBI for the review process. Commissioners were guided by the FBI and, their report makes clear, relied heavily for information on the Bureau and interviews with other government intelligence sources, including CIA Director John Brennan and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

    Transcripts of those interviews are also among the documents the FOIA lawsuit seeks to make public.****

    Finally, the judge was asked to determine if any FBI or DOJ personnel acted “arbitrarily or capriciously” in withholding records. If so, attorney fees and costs can be assessed against the government and those responsible could be punished for contempt and face disciplinary actions.


    • DXer said

      28 pages and 80,000 pages: The hunt for a Saudi support network for 9-11 hijackers

      Lawyers for the Florida Bulldog have asked a federal judge to award substantial attorney fees for years of efforts to obtain secret reports about the FBI’s post-9/11 investigation of Saudis in Sarasota with apparent ties to the suicide hijackers.

      The court papers filed Tuesday seek a court hearing and also show how the Fort Lauderdale Freedom of Information (FOI) case ties into a better-known push to declassify 28 pages that were cut out of a 2002 report by Congress’ Joint Inquiry into the terrorist attacks. Those censored pages involved “specific sources of foreign support” for the hijackers while they were in the U.S.

      As a result, the news organization’s law firm, Hunton & Williams, has borne the financial burden of the case. Julin and four colleagues told the court they have spent more than 615 hours on the case and are asking for $409,000 in fees.

      The fee award being sought is in large part attributable to the FBI’s aggressiveness resistance to disclosing its records about the Sarasota investigation. For example, in addition to repeatedly denying that it had any responsive documents, Bureau representatives have said the Sarasota probe found no connection to the 9/11 plot. Still, a handful of FBI documents made public during the pending litigation said the opposite: that the Sarasota Saudis had “many connections” to persons associated with the terrorist attacks.

      In addition to representing the Bulldog in court, attorney Julin has spent numerous hours in an effort to declassify the 28 pages from the Joint Inquiry’s report. The Bulldog, Summers and Swan began the process in June 2013. Today, the case is pending before the Interagency Security Classification Appeals panel is Washington. A decision is expected this month.

      The quest to unlock the 28 pages got a huge boost in an April 60 Minutes TV report that focused on current efforts by Sen. Graham and others to obtain their release.

      Numerous members of Congress, 9/11 victims and their relatives and current and former government officials as well as leading presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have called for the release of the 28 pages.

      Developments in the case continue. On May 17, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the Justice Against Supporters of Terrorism Act (JASTA), a bill that would allow 9/11 victims and their families to sue Saudi Arabia. The House is expected to consider the bill shortly.

      “It underscores the public importance of the records that are at the heart of this litigation,” Julin wrote in his fee motion.

  10. DXer said

    No matter who wins in November, Saudi minister says bond will endure

    By Karen DeYoung
    The Washington Post
    Published: June 18, 2016

    Jubeir repeated Saudi insistence that the “28 pages,” as they are known, redacted from a 2002 Senate report on the al-Qaida attacks be published in full. The pages, which the Obama administration has indicated it will release this month, are thought to contain FBI work plans for interviewing Saudi citizens and officials who might have had some involvement.

  11. DXer said

    CIA director expects, supports release of 9/11 report pages

    By Harper Neidig

    While Brennan has maintained that Saudi Arabia and its officials were not involved, his support for the release of the documents is new.

  12. DXer said

    9/11 families plead with White House to release secret 28 pages

  13. DXer said

    The 28 pages do not address Sarasota or that the son of the Saudi missionar as a leading anthrax mailings suspect. That’s precisely the problem. When documents are withheld, leads are not developed and pursued.

    Mystery pages –

    But Riyadh insists it has nothing to fear from the mysterious 28 pages and that US investigators have thoroughly debunked all the allegations they contain.

    “Our position, since 2002 when the report first came out, was ‘release the pages’,” Saudi foreign minister Adel al-Jubeir told reporters in Geneva last week.

    “We know from other senior US officials that the charges made in the 28 pages do not stand up to scrutiny. And so yes, release the 28 pages.”

    For most in Washington, the congressional report was superseded in July 2004 by the final report of the separate 9/11 Commission set up by Bush.

    This found no evidence of official Saudi complicity — but the ongoing secrecy surrounding Congress’ earlier 28 pages has continued to stir suspicion.

    “We can’t rebut charges if we’re being charged by ghosts in the form of 28 pages,” Jubeir said.

    “But every four or five years this issue comes up and it’s like a sword over our head. Release it.”

    Jubeir added that, thanks to multiple leaks in the years since the congressional report was locked away in a safe on Capitol Hill, he can guess what it says.

    “Nothing stays a secret,” he said. “So we know that it’s a lot of innuendo and insinuations.”

    So what exactly are the secret allegations?

    The 28 pages are thought to include a claim that Princess Haifa, the wife of then Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar, sent money to the hijackers.

    Princess Haifa sent thousands of dollars to Osama Basnan, a Saudi living in San Diego who befriended 9/11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar.

    Investigators were told the money was to pay to treat Basnan’s wife for thyroid cancer. The 9/11 Commission found no evidence it was passed to the hijackers.

    Another likely allegation in the missing pages concerns Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi civil aviation official who had been studying in California.

    Bayoumi was arrested in England 10 days after the September 11 attacks and questioned by British and US authorities before being released without charge.

    It is thought the missing pages cite allegations that he met Hazmi and Mihdhar at a Los Angeles restaurant.

    – Clandestine ties? –

    Later he helped the pair settle in San Diego, leading to suspicions that he was acting on behalf of Saudi paymasters to help prepare the Al-Qaeda attack.

    But the 9/11 Commission report said FBI investigators found Bayoumi to be “an unlikely candidate for clandestine involvement with Islamist extremists.”

    Whatever allegations are in the missing pages of the congressional report, Saudi Arabia’s defenders will point to the later 9/11 Commission report.

    “Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of Al-Qaeda funding,” it said.

    “But we have found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.”

    But if Riyadh is so confident in its defense, why then the nervousness about the release?

    Reports allege the kingdom threatened to withdraw $750 billion in investments from the United States if Congress strips it of its immunity in US courts.

    This claim triggered outrage — the tabloid New York Daily News reported it under the headline “Royal Scum” — but Jubeir denies it amounted to a threat.

    “Nonsense,” he declared, arguing Riyadh had simply warned the legislation being considered by Congress would overturn the idea of sovereign immunity.

    “It’s a simple principle and it protects everybody, including the United States,” he said.

    “We said a law like this is going to cause investor confidence to shrink, not just for Saudi Arabia but for everybody,” he added.

    “But this idea that ‘Oh my God, now the Saudis are threatening us’? We don’t threaten things.”

  14. DXer said

    28 Pages In Sept. 11 Report Should Be Declassified, Ex-Sen. Graham Says

    April 28, 20165:08 AM ET

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: Do you believe that consecutive administrations have been protecting the Saudi royal family against the interests of United States citizens?

    GRAHAM: Yes. And I think it’s been more than a cover up. I think it’s been what I call aggressive deception. There are instances in which the FBI has publicly released statements which I know from personal experience were untrue. They stated that in this Sarasota situation – that they had completed the investigation, that the investigation determined that there were no connections between the hijackers and the prominent Saudi family, and that they had turned over all of this information to both the congressional inquiry and the 9/11 Citizens Commission. I know for a fact that none of those three statements are true.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: Let me get this right, sir. You are alleging that the FBI deliberately lied about this issue and that there has been a cover-up.

    GRAHAM: It’s more than a cover-up. The FBI misstated what is in their own records relative to the situation in Sarasota.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: What do you think needs to happen?

    GRAHAM: I think we need to have a general re-opening of the investigation into 9/11.

  15. DXer said

    BY Editorials
    The whole 9/11 truth: Release the 28 classified pages, whatever they may say about Saudi Arabia

    Tuesday, April 26, 2016, 4:05 AM
    The time has come for President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, which are said to deal with “specific sources of foreign support for some of the Sept. 11 hijackers while they were in the United States.”

    • DXer said

      Reveal Saudi details in 9-11 report: Where we stand

      You can’t handle the truth.

      That’s the message both the Bush and Obama White Houses have telegraphed to Americans regarding a 28-page section of a 2002 congressional report on the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The section, which addresses whether Saudi Arabia was involved in the attacks, has been labeled classified and never has been made available to the public.


      The hidden pages, if released, might defy clear conclusions. U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida has said he’s read the section in question, but read other classified reports that debunk the idea that the 9-11 hijackers got official support from Saudi Arabia. Even so, speculation — founded or unfounded — about the section will persist as long as it remains secret.

      Keeping the section under wraps also could help anyone who supported the hijackers escape accountability.

  16. DXer said

    10 Investigates 9/11 coverup

    Anthrax, Al Qaeda and Ayman Zawahiri: The Infiltration of US Biodefense

    • DXer said

      From left to right: Dick Cheney, Prince Bandar, Condoleezza Rice, and George W. Bush, on the Truman Balcony of the White House on September 13, 2001.

  17. DXer said

    Ex-Sen. Bob Graham Links Secret Pages of 9/11 Report to Saudis

    Breaking News at

    “I think that the Saudis have gotten the message that, given what they know they did on 9/11, that the United States’ failure to react is essentially a form of impunity,” he added. “That has encouraged them to continue to support these extreme entities.”

    Graham, a former two-term Sunshine State governor, said the classified documents included an FBI report on a Saudi family living in Sarasota who suddenly left the U.S. just two weeks before the attacks and surveillance information on hijackers visiting the home.

    “Very suspicious,” he told Bachman of the Saudi family’s abrupt departure. “It raises the inference: Did these people know that 9/11 was about to happen and that it would be better for a prominent Saudi not to be in the United States when it occurred?”

    In Sarasota investigation, who was the person associated with the hijackers’ flight school who was discovered to have re-entered the country after 9/11?
    Posted on September 21, 2014

  18. DXer said

    Saudi role in 9/11 being whitewashed by FBI
    By Paul Sperry
    April 12, 2015

    Now it’s being whitewashed again, in a newly released report by the 9/11 Review Commission, set up last year by Congress to assess “any evidence now known to the FBI that was not considered by the 9/11 Commission.” Though the FBI acknowledges the Saudi family was investigated, it maintains the probe was a dead end.
    The review panel highlighted one local FBI report generated from the investigation that said Abdulaziz and Anoud al-Hijji, the prominent Saudi couple who “fled” their home, had “many connections” to “individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001.”

    How strange. Yet panelists did not interview the unidentified agent for themselves. They just accepted headquarters’ impeachment of his work.
    Odder still, the agent’s report was just one of many other FBI communications detailing ties between the Saudi family and the hijackers. In fact, the Tampa office of the FBI recently was ordered to turn over more than 80,000 pages of documents filling some 27 boxes from its 9/11 investigation to a federal judge hearing a Freedom of Information Act case filed by local journalists over the Sarasota angle. The judge is sorting through the boxes to determine which documents should remain classified. Most are marked “SECRET/NOFORN,” meaning no foreign nationals — a classification reserved for highly sensitive materials.

    “The report provides no plausible explanation for the contradiction between the FBI’s current claim that it found nothing and its 2002 memo finding ‘many connections’ between the Sarasota family and the 9/11 terrorists,” Thomas Julin, the attorney who filed the FOIA lawsuit against the FBI, told the Miami Herald.
    The panel’s report also doesn’t explain why visitor security logs for the gated Sarasota community and photos of license tags matched vehicles driven by the hijackers, including 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta.
    The three-member review panel was appointed by FBI Director James Comey, who also officially released the findings.
    Former Democratic Sen. Bob Graham, who in 2002 chaired the congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, maintains the FBI is covering up a Saudi support cell in Sarasota for the hijackers. He says the al-Hijjis “urgent” pre-9/11 exit suggests “someone may have tipped them off” about the coming attacks.


    Sources who have read the censored Saudi section say it cites CIA and FBI case files that directly implicate officials of the Saudi Embassy in Washington and its consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks — which if true, would make 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war by a foreign government. The section allegedly identifies high-level Saudi officials and intelligence agents by name, and details their financial transactions and other dealings with the San Diego hijackers.


    Graham smells a rat: “This is a pervasive pattern of covering up the role of Saudi Arabia in 9/11 by all of the agencies of federal government which have access to information that might illuminate Saudi Arabia’s role in 9/11.”

    • DXer said

      The Mirage Man: Bruce Ivins, the Anthrax Attacks, and …
      David Willman – 2011 – ‎Political Science

      Among his other qualifications, Lambert had impressed Mueller with a detailed rebuttal of congressional concerns that the Saudi royal family may have …


      You may recall 28 pages from the 911 Joint Inquiry about the counterintelligence investigation in the San Diego office, where Rick was in counterintelligence, were redacted.

      The 911 Commission Chairman were ashamed to be associated with an effort that hide the material from the American Public — and the people like Senator Graham, associated with the Joint Inquiry, are similarly outraged.

  19. DXer said

    Report backtracks on Sarasota Saudis

    03/27/2015 6:41 PM 03/27/2015 6:42 PM

    A new report, produced with the assistance of the FBI, seeks to discredit a previous bureau document that describes numerous links between a Saudi family in Sarasota and the 9/11 hijackers.

    The 128-page document — issued by the 9/11 Review Commission, a body authorized by Congress — is titled “The FBI: Protecting the Homeland in the 21st Century.” It makes passing reference to an April 16, 2002, document that ties the Saudis to the 9/11 hijackers. Without offering any detail, it says that tie was “not substantiated.”

    Two years ago, the FBI provided a heavily censored copy of that 2002 document to Broward Bulldog Inc., parent company of, amid an ongoing Freedom of Information lawsuit that seeks access to the FBI’s files on the matter.

    The original FBI document says flatly that the Saudis, who abruptly moved out of their home in the upscale community of Prestancia in south Sarasota about two weeks before the 2001 attacks — leaving behind their cars, furniture, clothes and other items — had “many connections to individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001.”

    The original document’s information … was corroborated by a counterterrorism officer’s detailed account regarding what the FBI found during its investigation of Abdulaziz al-Hijji and his wife, Anoud, in a story published by in September 2011.

    Irish journalist and contributor Anthony Summers first interviewed the counterterrorism officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Summers and Robbyn Swan are co-authors of The Eleventh Day, a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in History in 2012.


    “The report raises new concerns that the FBI is concealing Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks,” said attorney Julin. “The report should have explained why the Sarasota investigation was not disclosed to Congress.”

    Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress’ Joint Inquiry, said Wednesday that he had been unaware of the existence of the 9/11 Review Commission.

    “I was surprised by it, as were most Americans, and therefore I was not able to contribute to its deliberations,” said Graham, adding he wished he’d had that opportunity.

    The Review Commission’s findings, as well as its lack of supporting documentation for its conclusions, failed to persuade Graham to alter his public skepticism about the FBI regarding 9/11.


    FBI Director James B. Comey appointed three commissioners: former Reagan Administration Attorney General Edwin Meese, former Congressman and Ambassador Tim Roemer and Bruce Hoffman, a professor and terrorism expert at Georgetown University. The commissioners and Executive Director John Gannon, a former CIA deputy director for intelligence, were apparently paid for their service.

    The report says commission staff traveled to eight FBI field offices to interview key personnel including members of counterterrorism squads, but none in Florida. More than 30 officials with the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community were interviewed, including ex-FBI Director Robert Mueller, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and CIA boss John Brennan. Their statements were not made public.

    “I am shocked that this commission failed to talk to Bob Graham,” said attorney Julin.


    Likewise, the report omits any reference to the ongoing Freedom of Information case in Fort Lauderdale, where U.S. District Judge William J. Zloch is reviewing 80,000 classified pages of 9/11 records from the FBI’s Tampa field office. The judge will decide what documents should be made public.

    Florida Bulldog is a not-for-profit news organization created to provide investigative reporting in the public interest. Contributions are tax-deductible.

    Read more here:

    • DXer said

      Below is an excerpt from new FBI 911 Commission Repor addressed by Dan. Shukrijumah is nowhere mentioned in the discussion of the Sarasota family and yet IMO is of central importance. Relatedly, in the discussion of a source with contact with Bin Laden in 1993-1994 (who was killed in 1995), the report overlooks the critical importance of the Blind Sheik to Bin Laden. The report glosses over the fact that a US-based tree grew in Brooklyn in connection with the approval of attacks in the United States.

      It is not to find a fault with events prior to 911 — it is to find a fault not to appreciate Shukrijumah’s connection to the Blind Sheik Abdel-Rahman and Atta in analysis of the anthrax mailings of September and October 2001.

      I am hoping the reporter Dan Christensen is able to interview Mandhal, who was acquainted with both Shukrijumah and Atta. He is being released from prison after 14 years faces deportation to Pakistan. Court papers reportedly indicate that in the Spring of 2001, El-Shukrijumah was known by the FBI to be radical. He was one of a half dozen who was a meeting after prayers who was pitched a plot by a loud and reckless angry young man Mandhal. The meeting was being monitored by FBI surveillance teams but the more savvy El-Shukrijumah, who was taking his orders from KSM, reportedly did not say anything incriminating to the undercover or within earshot of the undercover surveillance teams.


      The Sarasota Family

      (U) On September 8, 2011, the Broward Bulldog, an online local investigative newspaper, reported that the FBI allegedly had “found troubling ties between the hijackers and residents in an upscale community” near Sarasota, Florida. The article claimed that two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, members of a Saudi family “abruptly left their luxury home” leaving behind their cars, furniture, a refrigerator full of food, clothes, and other goods.352 An unidentified “counterterrorism officer” was quoted as saying that phone records and the community gate records “linked the house on Escondito Circle to the hijackers.”353 The article purported that this information had not been shared with Congress or mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. 354

      (U) A subsequent article in the Miami Herald, referring to an FBI document that had been produced pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act request, reported that the FBI document indicated that “[a] Saudi family who ‘fled’ their Sarasota area home weeks before 9/11 had ‘many connections’ to ‘individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001’.”355 The FBI told the Review Commission that the FBI Electronic Communication (EC) on which the news article was based was “poorly written” and wholly unsubstantiated. When questioned later by others in the FBI, the special agent who wrote the EC was unable to provide any basis for the contents of the document or explain why he wrote it as he did.356

      (U) The Review Commission requested and received a briefing regarding the press allegations. The Review Commission also obtained a copy of the case file, copies of documents released through the Freedom of Information Act regarding the matter, and reports of interviews.

      (U) The FBI informed the Review Commission that contrary to the contents of the original EC cited by the Miami Herald, the FBI had in fact “found no evidence that connected the family members in the Miami Herald article to any of the 9/11 hijackers, nor was there any connection found between the family and the 9/11 plot.”357 The FBI explained to the Review Commission that following the 9/11 attacks the Bureau received numerous calls from the public to report suspicious activity.

      (U) The FBI followed up on these initial leads in September 2001. Over several years, the FBI interviewed numerous individuals with direct knowledge of the facts forming the basis of the reports of suspicious activity. These individuals included all of the relevant family members and local individuals who claimed to have, or the FBI believed might have, pertinent information. The FBI also conducted an extensive review of records which might have contained pertinent information. The FBI found that the alleged derogatory information was unsubstantiated. The leads were determined to be covered and no further action was needed.

      (U) The FBI told the Review Commission that the EC was apparently based solely on unsubstantiated reports from others and there was no documentation supporting its allegations.

      After further investigation, the FBI determined that the statements in the EC were incorrect.358 The FBI found no evidence of contact, between the hijackers and the family.359

      (U) Finding: The allegations that the family was connected to the hijackers and/or the 9/11 plot were not substantiated. A review of the complete record demonstrated that the newspaper articles were based on inaccurate information and a poorly written and innaccurate FBI EC.

      (U) Overall Finding: The FBI has continued to investigate the 9/11 attacks; however, no new information obtained since the 9/11 Commission 2004 report would change the 9/11 Commission’s findings regarding responsibilities for the 9/11 attacks. And contrary to media reports, the FBI did not have a source in the early 1990s with direct access to UBL nor was there credible evidence linking the Sarasota, Florida, family to the hijackers.

      (U) Recommendation: The 9/11 Review Commission recommends the FBI continue its thorough investigation into the 9/11 attacks and, after the trials of the conspirators conclude, capture the lessons learned through the investigation, and provide detailed briefings to Director Comey and the relevant congressional oversight committees.

    • DXer said

      Note that the entire Sarasota subfile was provided to the federal district court judge in 3 CD discs. So the fact that he did not ask for additional boxes beyond the 4 (out of 27) boxes of hard copies may be of no moment.

      Here is a letter from DOJ to plaintiff’s counsel in the FOIA lawsuit brought by Broward Bulldog.

      From: Lee, Dexter (USAFLS)
      Thursday, April 09, 2015 10:12 AM
      Julin, Thomas
      Broward Bulldog v. U.S. DOJ

      Sent: To: Subject:

      Mr. Julin,

      The government opposes your request to take the deposition of the author of the electronic communication referenced in Chapter V of the recently released report of the 9/11 Review Commission, entitled “The FBI: Protecting The Homeland in the 21st Century.” Your lawsuit is premised on the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552 et. Seq., which gives requesters access to documents maintained by the federal government, that are not exempt from disclosure, or excluded from disclosure. The limited discovery in FOIA actions, if permitted at all, relate to the adequacy of an agency’s search for documents, and the basis for exemptions asserted.

      What you seek is to question and probe the mental processes of the author of a particular document, which goes well beyond what the FOIA provides. The FOIA may grant access to a document that is not exempt from disclosure; what it does not do is grant access to the author of the document. Further, the Court is currently engaged in its own review of the Tampa subfile, to determine for itself whether any additional documents exist which are responsive to the request submitted by the plaintiff. There is no need to depose the author of any particular document, or the officials of the 9/11 Review Commission who may have interviewed the author, to aid in the inquiry regarding the adequacy of the search by the FBI.

      Further, the Court granted the government’s motion for protective order on March 31, 2014 (D.E. 58 at 2‐3), and provided that, “no discovery shall take place at this time except as otherwise ordered by the Court.” D.E. 58 at 2. The release of the 9/11 Review Commission report does nothing to alter the Court’s analysis that discovery should not be conducted.

      You also asked about obtaining copies of certain documents referenced in the 9/11 Review Commission Report, such as the April 30, 2014 Memorandum for Record referenced in footnote 346.

      You should file a FOIA request with the FBI requesting those documents, and the FBI will determine whether they may be released.
      As to the review being conducted by the Court, on May 1, 2014, the government delivered four (4) of the twenty‐seven (27) boxes containing the Tampa subfile classified documents to the Court, and three (3) CD‐ROMs contain ing scanned copies of the entire Tampa subfile. I have not received further directions from the Court to deliver additional boxes containing Tampa subfile documents.

      Dexter Lee

  20. DXer said

    Farooq Mandhai is being released. I believe he was an associate of Adnan El-Shukrijumah who could be interviewed about Shukrijumah’s association with Mohammed Atta, the undercover operation prior to 9/11, and the like.

    Pakistan national faces deportation after serving 14-year prison term

    Read more at:


    Terrorist leader killed in Pakistan had Broward background‎ – Dec 8, 2014
    The informant recorded Mandhai vowing to establish a jihad cell that would target electrical substations, Jewish institutions and a National …

    • DXer said

      Court papers reportedly indicate thatin the Spring of 2001, El-Shukrijumah was known by the FBI to be radical. He was one of a half dozen who was a meeting after prayers who was pitched a plot by a young man Mandhal. The meeting was being monitored by FBI surveillance teams but El-Shukrijumah reportedly did not say anything incriminating to the undercover or within earshot of the undercover surveillance teams.

      Posted 6/15/2003

      Pursuit of al-Qaeda keeps coming back to Fla.
      By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

      El Shukrijumah soon became known among young male mosque-goers as a radical. Mandhai told “Mohammed,” the FBI informant, that El Shukrijumah was among 25 to 30 potential mujahedin who could be trained for future bin Laden assignments in South Florida. Investigators believe that Mandhai’s plans were wishful thinking and that Mandhai had no actual ties to al-Qaeda.

      But Mandhai worked hard to assemble what he hoped would become an al-Qaeda cell. El Shukrijumah was one of about a half-dozen young Muslims who assembled at a mosque in Miramar after evening prayers one night in mid-April 2001 to hear a recruiting pitch from Mandhai and Jokhan, according to federal court papers.

      But El Shukrijumah never joined Mandhai’s plot, or even said anything mildly incriminating within earshot of the informant or undercover surveillance teams, court records suggest. El Shukrijumah disappeared around May 2001, about the time the FBI pulled “Mohammed” out of the mosques and told Mandhai and Jokhan they were under investigation.

      An investigator on the case believes that El Shukrijumah sensed what Mandhai did not: that “Mohammed” was an FBI informant.

      Investigators now say that intelligence gathered this year has led them to believe that El Shukrijumah traveled overseas within the past seven years for pilot training under al-Qaeda’s guidance. He is known in the terrorism network as “Jaffar the Pilot,” al-Qaeda prisoners have told U.S. authorities.

      Investigators believe that while he was overseas, El Shukrijumah met Padilla, a Muslim convert and al-Qaeda follower who had lived in South Florida in the mid-1990s.

      El Shukrijumah returned to South Florida by 2000. Padilla tried to re-enter the USA in June 2002 and was arrested at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.

      For investigators seeking to understand more about al-Qaeda, El Shukrijumah’s movements are a puzzle.

  21. DXer said

    9/11 ’20th hijacker’ Moussaoui details alleged Saudi royal backing of al Qaeda
    7:32 a.m. ET

    In more than 100 pages of testimony submitted to a federal court on Monday, al Qaeda’s Zacarias Moussaoui said that high-ranking Saudi officials had given financial support to Osama bin Laden’s terrorist group in the late 1990s. The prominent Saudi alleged supporters included longtime ambassador to Washington Prince Bandar Bin Sultan and intelligence chief Prince Turki al-Faisal.

    • DXer said

      I wrote on January 7, 2015 in the thread below:

      “Jeb Bush should join Hillary Clinton in asking that the 28 pages be declassified. (She at least was one of the Senators who signed a letter request a decade ago.) If the air hasn’t been cleared by the time the election gets underway, I think Jeb’s chances are seriously undermined. The photos of Prince Bandar on the back porch at the White House with his feet relaxedly up on September 12 — along with the photo of him with President Bush in Texas in August 2002 — are going to be a staple of the campaign if the Saudis are not given a chance to address the issues. As Prince Bandar has said, he can’t very well address blank pages.

      I personally don’t subscribe to the idea that the actions of one family member are attributable to the Royal family as a whole. (The fact that key people promptly ended up dead may have been an indication of the Kingdom’s aggravation.) Prince Bandar that first night was certainly extremely upset at how things had been made to appear. Although I definitely favor disclosure of the 28 pages, I think much of the material is already known due to some excellent investigative reporting by various journalists over the years and the 911 Commission report. (Moreover, it would be interesting to know the role some well-heeled plaintiffs’ lawyers have had in promoting the declassification effort relating to these 28 pages from the Joint Congressional Inquiry.)

      My personal interest is keener in the Sarasota documents as they relate to El-Shukrijumah. That Sarasota home was owned by a fellow who was an advisor and close confidante of a certain Prince who shall remain nameless in case it is classified.

      Did I mention that Prince Bandar met with arms trafficker Sarkis Soghanalian and agreed to pay for the 100 combat TOW-equipped helicopters sold to Iraq during the height of the Iran-Iraq war? See Sarkis Soghanalian interview and transcript of their conversation at Beni Hana restaurant. (The Hughes helicopters were allegedly sold to to the Iraq Agriculture Ministry for cropdusting missions.) See Tariq Aziz press conference. The Kingdom was afraid that Iran would win and keep going. Prince Bandar certainly is a hands-on kind of guy who sees that war can sometimes serve the Kingdom’s interests. (800,000 Iranian infantry died).

      It bothers me a bit that he had his feet up on the White House porch the day after 3000 Americans died. So I for one would like him to address the 28 pages, including footnotes. If the report that the Saudis want the 28 pages declassified is true, then the Saudi embassy should reiterate that sentiment and formally press for their release.”

  22. DXer said

    I read a lot about the stock market — but it seems the more I read, the less I know. I find the subject of stock trading on news is far more interesting a subject than fundamental or technical analysis. I think of myself as a novice swing trader.

    (Video, 3:37 min.) Are Terrorist Attacks BULLISH for the Stock Market?
    The correlation between terrorism and markets is far less predictable than most people think

    By Vadim Pokhlebkin
    Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:45:00 ET

    The January 7 attack on French cartoon magazine employees shocked the world. It was the worst terrorist act in Europe in years. In the U.S, the Dow gained 214 points that day. The day after the index added 318 more points.

    How could the stock market fail to register one of the most public and brazen terrorist acts of the century? A Bloomberg story on January 8 said:

    “There was some bewilderment around here yesterday about the reaction in stock markets to the slaughter of 12 people [in Paris]. …the S&P 500 jumped 1.16%.”

    The S&P wasn’t the only stock index to rally. The French CAC 40 gapped higher at the open and closed up 3.5%. Most of Europe was up 3% or more on the day of the attack. How could that be?

    Our own Elliott Wave Theorist once looked at the most infamous example of terrorism: the September 11 attacks and the anthrax attacks that soon followed, which caused months of havoc in the U.S. You might think that stocks fell during that time, but take a look at this chart:

    “The 9/11 attack occurred more than halfway through a dramatic price decline and only six trading days from its end. Afterward, despite deep concerns that more such attacks were in the works, the stock market rallied for six months.

    “The first anthrax attack occurred on the very day of the low for the year, and the attacks, deaths and scares continued throughout the strongest rally on the entire graph. To put it more starkly, the market bottomed when they started and topped out as soon as people realized they were over.

    “If one were to insist upon a causal relationship [between the news and the market], one would be forced to conclude that anthrax attacks are bullish for the stock market.

    “This kind of perverse conclusion is what we invariably reach when examining [the idea that market trends are news-driven]. This is why economists after World War II decided that wars were good for the economy. Should we encourage crazed people to send deadly packages in order to get the stock market to go up? This idea is no dumber than advocating war to get the economy rolling.”


    Read more:

  23. DXer said

    If Dr. Ayman Zawahiri was behind the Fall 2001 anthrax letters — as I argue — why would he have targeted media? One reason is that he thought the media was telling lies. Another, of course, is that would be sure to garner headlines as was done in the Al Hayat letter bombs in 1997 sent by supporters of the WTC 1993 bombers.

    Zawahiri explained in the Fall of 2001:

    “The killing of Anwar al-Sadat [on October 6, 1981] .. was a strong blow to the US-Israeli plan for the region:

    “This proves the lies that are reiterated by Arab secularism that several jihad movements, especially those in the Afghan jihad, are the creation of the United States. One is surprised by the capacity of secular writers to lie. Seeing the overwhelming support in the Muslim world for the Islamic Jihad movements, which dealt painful blows to the United States, they invented this lie, forgetting that Anwar al-Sadat was killed at the hands of fundamentalists in 1981, i.e., at the beginning of the Afghan jihad. These mujahidin participated in the Afghan jihad afterward.”

    Zawahiri summarizes in Knights Under The Banner of the Prophet: “If we add to the foregoing the media siege imposed on the message of the jihad movement as well as the campaign of deception mounted by the government media we should realize the extent of the gap in understanding between the jihad movement and the common people.”

    In his book first published October 7, 2001, Zawahiri says of the media:

    “The Western media and the Arab media are both responsible for demeaning and distorting the image of the Arab Afghans. They portrayed them as half insane maniacs who revolted against America, who trained and financed them before. This was repeated over and over after the comeback of the Arab Afghans in the second half of the 90’s. . . . The aim of the American campaign to defame the Arab Afghans is clear. America is trying to deprive the Arab nation of claiming the championship. It’s as if the Americans are saying to us, ”Those who you think of as heroes are made by me and they are mercenaries who revolted against me when I stopped financing them.”

    Even dating back to the summer of 1993, CBS’ Dan Rather was just one of many who carried reports of the blind sheik being let in the country, with interviewees taking the position that they believed the sheik was being deliberately rewarded by the CIA for his help in the Afghanistan war.

    The best publicly evidence available online of Dr. Al-Timimi’s own views on the subject are his online speeches, “The Negative Portrayal Of Islam In the Media” and “Crusader Complex: Western Perceptions of Islam.” In 1994, Al-Timimi spoke alongside Commander Abu Abdel Aziz ‘Barbaros’ (Bosnia) at the annual IANA conference. Barbaros was the Al Qaeda recruiter who met at BIF offices in Zagreb, Croatia in 1992 to plan strategy relating to jihad directed against the US. Jihadist fighter “Barbaros” speaks pretty directly to the issue in a 1994 interview “Understanding Jihad” in the arab language Assirat, for which Al-Timimi served on the advisory board.

    The main purpose of the International media campaign against Jihad is to paint it with the trait of terrorism and things of that sort. (This is done) to push people away from it. They know that Muslims, if they hold tight to Jihad, will achieve the intended thrust which will make them reach whatever Allah wills. They know quite well that the Muslim zeal to Jihad stems from the belief that Allah is the sole source of victory, He will send His help from the sky and that if the Mujahid dies, his abode shall be the highest Firdaws (Peak of Paradise)…”

    Why did the sender target the New York Post rather than the New York Times? One would expect the New York Times to be targeted if a conservative biodefense insider was responsible. Was the mailer from the New York City region? The New York Post is one of the most pro-Israel papers around. The Post letter was addressed to the “Editor.” (El-Shukrijumah earlier was from Brooklyn — then he moved to Florida near AMI; in Florida, Shukrijumah lived 45 minutes from the AMI publications).

    In an audiotape received by al-Jazeera and published in October 2002, Zawahiri repeated his view of the secular lies being told: “America is clearly lying concerning any news related to Afghanistan.” Bin Laden himself in January 2004 noted “This is in addition to the crusader media campaigns against the Islamic nation.”

    What media outlets will Dr. Ayman Zawahiri target for republishing the Hebdo cover?

    He’s a pragmatic man — looking to achieve the greatest effect. A fundraiser at heart, he seeks the biggest buck for the bang.

    The Fall 2001 anthrax letters showed him that he can get away with a lot.

    If we wanted to protect our country’s media, more should have been done to reach the correct solution in Amerithrax.

  24. DXer said

    Ayman Zawahiri doesn’t leave any mystery when he deems it in his interest to claim responsibility. And so current events mainly involve waiting for the next atrocity relating to the new Hebdo cover image.

    Ayman Zawahiri views half the battle as in the media and so he’ll choose his targets with that in mind.

    As for Amerithrax, I am waiting for news in the following matters:

    (1) Yazid Sufaat (a confession would be nice);
    (2) Adnan Shukrijumah/FOIA (additional proof of travel would be nice, along with handwriting exemplars),
    (3) KSM-Hawsawi/Guantanamo (having presently classified evidence declassified and revealed would be nice),
    (4) Al-Barq (Sufaat’s assistant secretly imprisoned in Israel who claimed under torture to have made the anthrax, only to recant);
    (5) Ali Al-TImimi/appeal matter (he shared a suite with the leading DARPA-funded Ames anthrax researchers),
    (6) the “28 pages.”

    Oak Island

    The Oak Island mystery last night made for good tv, but under my theory the “money pit” (or Borehole 10-X) will not lead to any answers. There’s a reason they call It the “money pit.” I hope revenues from the show are covering the costs (or that they have a lot of equipment and engineering services provided for free)

    Isabella Gardner

    While I am eagerly awaiting for Steve Kurkjian’s book on Isabella Gardner to come out … I think of it as a must-read for true-crime aficionados.

    Dutch Schultz’s missing millions

    , the news today relates to Dutch Schultz.

    “Bridgeport History Opens Center opens door to past,” January 13, 2015

    Dutch Schultz was on trial for tax evasion in 1935. He hid his money — fearing he was going to jail. But the lore about him and his bodyguard Lulu hiding his millions in Phoenicia in New York’s Catskills is mistaken. Words to that effect were just made up and added to his deathbed statement by a treasure hunter. Instead, the evidence points to it having been hidden by Lulu and Dutch when they left the hotel late one night after filling the suitcase.
    I have scanned all the historical evidence and uploaded it (for the most part threading it chronologically) and made it freely available online.

    Dutch and Lulu would ride along a trail each day at a stable in Fairfield. He then one night left the hotel late at night after filling his suitcase in front of a half dozen witnesses.
    Then he was killed precipitously that Fall after he beat his tax evasion charges.

    At the materials linked below, my daughter and I describe the wonderful time we had in Fairfield County, to include meeting the wonderful woman where he stayed immediately before going to the hotel.
    She had heard from someone who knew the history that Dutch and his mistress had been living in her house. (Discovered by the press, it was then that Dutch Schultz took safe haven at the hotel.)

    Aware of his missing millions, she and her husband would look in every nook and cranny while they were renovating over the years. Then one day in their garden they found a hollowed out rectangle where a loot-filled suitcase apparently had been kept.

    Below is the chronologically historical evidence, with minimum commentary. I believe the key to solving difficult mysteries is to share information.

    It is too soon for public television to do an authoritative history on the whodunit anthrax mailings until Yazid Sufaat, Al Barq, or Hawsawi cooperates with a confession. Or Ayman Zawahiri claims responsibility.

    A mass anthrax attack might lend some clarity for the career-minded types in government.

    But at least in the meantime HISTORY CHANNEL could do a show on Dutch Schultz’ missing millions. Although I think the Oak Island show is well-done and the Lagina brothers are great, Dutch Schultz’s missing millions –when the historical evidence is studied — is a much more likely treasure cache to recover. At least we know that treasure actually existed.

    Dutch Schultz in Fairfield County, Connecticut in 1935: his horses, his hiding places and his missing millions.

  25. DXer said

    U.K. MI5 Chief Andrew Parker Warns of Threat of al Qaeda Attack in West
    British Domestic Intelligence Chief Says Terrorist Group Is Planning ‘Mass Casualty Attacks’

  26. DXer said

    Saudi connection? Lawmakers up pressure on Obama to release secret 9/11 documents
    By Joseph Weber

    Published January 07, 2015

    “The Saudis know what they did. We know what they did,” said Graham, who for more than a decade has pushed to get to the bottom of the attacks. He made clear he was referring to “the Kingdom,” and not just Saudi operatives inside the country.

    [Note: I believe Graham continued and said something like: “And we know that they know that we know that they know what they did.” ]

    He argued that failing to disclose the truth will spur Saudi Arabia’s continued or “accelerated … financial support for institutions carrying out extreme forces of Islam.” Graham argued Saudi Arabia has been a hotbed for such extremist groups as Al Qaeda, al-Shabaab and now the Islamic State.

    When pressed by reporters, the lawmakers said they couldn’t and wouldn’t reveal the exact contents of the pages, as it remains classified. But they said the release of the information has the potential to change foreign policy and national security while posing no risk to U.S. intelligence agents or methods — and Obama should make the details public.

    Saudi officials have said they have nothing to hide and also have called for the declassification of the pages.


    Prince Khaled bin Bandar, the Saudi intelligence chief, also was in Washington this week to talk about joint efforts to fight ISIS.


    Jeb Bush should join Hillary Clinton in asking that the 28 pages be declassified. (She at least was one of the Senators who signed a letter request a decade ago.) If the air hasn’t been cleared by the time the election gets underway, I think Jeb’s chances are seriously undermined. The photos of Prince Bandar on the back porch at the White House with his feet relaxedly up on September 12 — along with the photo of him with President Bush in Texas in August 2002 — are going to be a staple of the campaign if the Saudis are not given a chance to address the issues. As Prince Bandar has said, he can’t very well address blank pages.

    I personally don’t subscribe to the idea that the actions of one family member are attributable to the Royal family as a whole. (The fact that key people promptly ended up dead may have been an indication of the Kingdom’s aggravation.) Prince Bandar that first night was certainly extremely upset at how things had been made to appear. Although I definitely favor disclosure of the 28 pages, I think much of the material is already known due to some excellent investigative reporting by various journalists over the years and the 911 Commission report. (Moreover, it would be interesting to know the role some well-heeled plaintiffs’ lawyers have had in promoting the declassification effort relating to these 28 pages from the Joint Congressional Inquiry.)

    My personal interest is keener in the Sarasota documents as they relate to El-Shukrijumah. That Sarasota home was owned by a fellow who was an advisor and close confidante of a certain Prince who shall remain nameless in case it is classified.

    Did I mention that Prince Bandar met with arms trafficker Sarkis Soghanalian and agreed to pay for the 100 combat TOW-equipped helicopters sold to Iraq during the height of the Iran-Iraq war? See Sarkis Soghanalian interview and transcript of their conversation at Beni Hana restaurant. (The Hughes helicopters were allegedly sold to to the Iraq Agriculture Ministry for cropdusting missions.) See Tariq Aziz press conference. The Kingdom was afraid that Iran would win and keep going. Prince Bandar certainly is a hands-on kind of guy who sees that war can sometimes serve the Kingdom’s interests. (800,000 Iranian infantry died).

    It bothers me a bit that he had his feet up on the White House porch the day after 3000 Americans died. So I for one would like him to address the 28 pages, including footnotes. If the report that the Saudis want the 28 pages declassified is true, then the Saudi embassy should reiterate that sentiment and formally press for their release.

    • DXer said

      The Escondito Circle home where al-Hijji lived with his wife, Anoud, and their small children was owned by her parents, Esam and Deborah Ghazzawi. Esam Ghazzawi was an advisor to Prince Fahd bin Salman bin Abdulaziz al Saud, nephew of King Fahd. Prince Fahd, a prominent racehorse owner, died in July 2001 at age 46.

      FBI records say Sarasota Saudis who fled home had “many connections” to individuals tied to 9/11
      Filed under 9/11, A1 Top Story on April 16, 2013


      Given Al Qaeda’s anthrax program was so low-budget, I’m not focused on this issue of terrorist financing as to the whodunnit. Moreover, it’s not like the FBI did not try to track El-Shukrijumah down in good faith by stopping occasionally at the parent’s home and seizing his sister’s computer. My interest in the Sarasota documents relates mainly to evidence of Shukrijumah’s travel and samples of his handwriting.

      See also

      New 9/11 records offer tantalizing puzzle pieces 1, 2014
      … files from a once-secret investigation into a family of Sarasota Saudis who left the … Anoud, and her father, Esam Ghazzawi, an advisor to a Saudi prince. … al-Qaeda fugitive Adnan Shukrijumah had visited the al-Hijji home.
      Sarasota 9/11 terrorist connection mystery continues

      Bradenton Herald-Mar 31, 2014
      … homeowner, Esam Ghazzawi, a longtime adviser to a senior Saudi prince. … Shukrijumah, a former Miramar resident, is on the FBI’s “most wanted” list … or the subsequent 9/11 Commission about its Sarasota investigation.

    • DXer said

      From my post above:

      “(Moreover, it would be interesting to know the role some well-heeled plaintiffs’ lawyers have had in promoting the declassification effort relating to these 28 pages from the Joint Congressional Inquiry.)”


      “Among the attendees at the press conference was Jack Quinn, formerly a top lawyer in the Clinton White House, who is representing 9/11 families in their effort to gain compensation from the Saudi government.”

      Noting that the Senate Intelligence Committee recently released a no-holds-barred report documenting torture in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Quinn told The Daily Beast, “It’s rather bizarre that we would go to these great lengths to air this heretofore confidential information about how we reacted to 9/11, and at the same time we keep secret information about protecting those who helped launch the attack.”


      I think Jack Quinn has found himself a very worthy cause and I hope he pulls out all the stops. He was already a politically influential, powerhouse lobbyist when he would stop up on the top floor to the Garden Room after a game of squash for a water and to say hi to people.

      I think it would help his argument if and when it comes out that the redaction and withholding of the not unrelated Shukrijumah documents then led to a decades-long debacle in Amerithrax.

      Judging from media reports, Ayman Zawahiri is still intending to attack the United States in a mass attack.

      Anthrax, Al Qaeda and Ayman Zawahiri: The Infiltration of US Biodefense

  27. DXer said

    The first reporter asked Senator Graham what other documents were withheld. The reporter asked if that included the matter of Sarasota. Senator Graham in response gave the background. Senator Graham said that initially the FBI responded that there were no responsive documents. He explained that there was a strong federal judge who wasn’t persuaded by the FBI’s response.

    Senator Graham said that the judge is currently reviewing 80,000 documents the FBI is withholding. Graham says that there is a pervasive pattern of coverup relating to the Saudi role, to include these documents about the FBI’s Sarasota investigation.

    Congressman Jones emphasized that America’s strength is the truth. Senator Graham says that the 28 pages primarily point to Saudi Arabia as being the primary financier of the 911 attacks.

    A reporter asked: Do you mean the government or individuals? Graham discussed the nature of the Kingdom — noting it is difficult to make the distinctions between public and private that we would in the United States.

    (Not mentioned: After Abu Zubyadah’s interrogation was shared, some key Saudi individuals died precipitiously according to Gerard Posner’s book, as I recall it.)

    Senator Graham says that the reason for classification is often incompetence — the individuals classifying the document often classify to avoid exposure of incompetence.

    In response to a question, Congressman Lynch commented that upon release of the 28 pages, reporters will do a “deep dive” on the documents and our collective understanding will be advanced.

    • DXer said

      Still Secret: 28 Pages That Could Change Our Understanding of 9/11
      Jan 7, 2015, 2:02 PM ET

      Saudi Role in 9/11 Returns to Spotlight
      Touting a new bill, an ex-senator denounces ‘the evil union of extremism and a very powerful nation state.’

    • DXer said

      What did the correspondence on Adnan’s sister Hana’s computer seized in the Spring of 2003 show concerning Adnan’s travels to and from the United States?

      Muslim McCarthyism
      A Miramar family gets the full suspect treatment
      A A AComments (0)By Chuck Strouse Thursday, Apr 3 2003

      The G-men recently raided the nearby home of their daughter, Hana, carting off a computer and correspondence in Arabic.

      And with much foreboding, authorities have twice informed the press that they are searching for the couple’s eldest son, Adnan, a plump-cheeked 27-year-old and Broward Community College graduate. “[Adnan] El shukrijumah is possibly involved with al-Qaeda terrorist activities and, if true, poses a serious threat to U.S. Citizens and interests worldwide,” the bureau pronounced in a March 20 press release.

      The proclamation struck a chord in South Florida. The region, after all, was a stopover for fifteen of the nineteen September 11 terrorists. Anthrax was discovered here in the mail of Boca Raton’s American Media, Inc. soon after the World Trade Center disaster.


      In case all that wasn’t enough, the agents told reporters — off the record, of course — that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a top lieutenant to Osama bin Laden who was recently captured in Pakistan, had identified Adnan’s picture.

      The feds were soon comparing him to Mohamed Atta.

      So TV trucks crowded the family’s front yard for days. News of the FBI search ricocheted around the globe, like a lethal silvery pinball. New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany, Pakistan, Uzbekistan. “Feds beat the Bush for Saudi thug,” crowed the New York Daily News.


      After September 11, FBI agents came to the El’Shukri-Jumah house. They showed Gulshair a photo album of possible terrorists. “I hadn’t seen any of them,” Gulshair recalled. “Three months later they returned and said they wanted to know the whereabouts of my son.” He couldn’t tell them. His son calls irregularly, he said.

  28. DXer said

    The Saudi Role in Sept. 11 and the Hidden 9/11 Report Pages
    BY JEFF STEIN 1/7/15

    • DXer said

      At today’s press conference, Rep. Stephen Lynch explained that transparency is a good aspect of a democracy. Having an informed public has always been an important part of our democracy. He explains it presents no risk of disclosing sources or methods.

      Rep. Walter Jones, too, explained that there is nothing about national security that requires that the 28 pages be withheld. “The American people have been denied the truth long enough. It is time for the truth to come out.”

      Senator Bob Graham, co-Chairman of the Joint Congressional Inquiry, gave some background. The Intelligence Committees of both the Senate and House — which was a first in the history of the Congress. When it was released, members were shocked to see that when it was released, an entire chapter was deleted.

      There was an immediate outcry at the time. Leaders of the inquiry objected — joined by Porter Goss, Lee Hamilton, Tom Kean, Senator Clinton, Senator Kerry and others — joined in urging President Bush to release the chapter. He said that more generally that there has been a “pattern of coverup” in redactions that go beyond the deleted chapter.

      He says the issue may seem stale to some but it is current as the headline we’ll read today. Representatives of the 911 families also spoke. The 911 families official explained that we all know Bin Laden attacked the US on 911. This chapter tells a fuller story. Money is the lifeblood of terrorism. “We want justice. We want truth. We want accountability.”

  29. DXer said

    The “28 pages” relate to California rather than Florida — because Senator Graham and others say the “Joint Inquiry” was never told about the Florida investigation or the Sarasota home. While we await the federal court’s decision in the Broward Bulldog FOIA lawsuit, those in Congress with the necesssary clearance could go and read a “targeting study” on Jaffar al-Tayyar completed by the CIA in January 2003 [p. 2041 ] a letter from KSM to bin al-Shibh referencing “Jafar the Pilot” and indicating that “Jafar” “ought to prepare himself’ to smuggle himself from Mexico into an unspecified country; a letter from Jaffar al-Tayyar to Ramzi bin al-Shibh asking for clarification of KSM’ s letter; and additional background and reporting information on Jaffar al-Tayyar. [p. 2042] The requirements cable from CIA Headquarters to the detention site included numerous specific questions, relying on the information already known about Jaffar al-Tayyar. [p. 2043 ].

  30. DXer said

    Matt Apuzzo,

    When former FBI Special Agent Borelli interviewed Al Qaeda anthrax scientist Rauf Ahmad in February 2002, had Agent Borelli and his two CIA officers with him at the ISI safehouse seen Rauf Ahmad’s research presented at the Dangerous Pathogens 2000 conference? (I’m totally uncertain as to when it was uploaded to the DTIC database).

    Was he aware of the AP’s photograph of the “anthrax spore concentrate” that Rauf Ahmad had made in April 2001? The separate Taliban vaccine production facility was precisely what Rauf Ahmad had envisioned in the plans he drafted for Dr. Ayman Zawahiri.

    Click to access a388208.pdf

  31. DXer said

    I am surprised that the US did not have better cooperation with Malaysia — if we are to credit that Malaysia did not share with the US what it learned in interrogation in early 2002. How is that possible? FBI Director Mueller personally went there in Spring 2002. For his part, Yazid Sufaat in a filmed interview that he did not share with his interrogators because he was mad at his country — and felt betrayed — for having been arrested. President Bush was briefed on KSM’s perceived deceptions and holdback in early April 2003. “Khalid Shaykh Muhammad’s Threat Reporting – Precious Truths, Surrounded by a Bodygard of Lies,” IICT, April 3, 2003. Then the CIA began to doubt Yazid Sufaat’s veracity. “Khalid Shaykh Muhammad’s Threat Reporting – Precious Truths, Surrounded by a Bodygard of Lies,” IICT, April 3, 2003.

    Was MI5 also failing to cooperate about what it knew about Rauf Ahmad’s missions to acquire virulent laboratory anthrax samples in connection with the annual Porton Down sponsored conferences? And the presentation of his working making and using virulent anthrax to kill mice?

    But why wasn’t the documentary evidence quite enough to know that Al Qaeda anthrax scientist working for Ayman Zawahiri had made a large amount of “anthrax spore concentrate” by April 2001 — before setting up Yazid Sufaat’s lab in Kandahar in May?

    All because the CIA did not have boots on the ground as nimble as an AP photographer? All because the USG did not seize the “anthrax spore concentrate” before it was spirited away?

    • DXer said

      I have an incorrect citation above relating to the CIA coming to doubt Yazid Sufaat’s credibility and holdback. The report is from 2005.

      “Al-Qa’ida’s Anthrax Program; Cracks Emerge in a Key Reporting Stream; New Insights into Yazid Sufaat’s Credibility” (DTS #2005-3264).

      Why would the USG have any more confidence in a defendant’s veracity than in the usual criminal case? Given the ideological commitment and lack of remorse, there is an even greater likelihood of lies.

      For outright lies, compare what Al Qaeda anthrax scientist Rauf Ahmad told the two chain-smoking CIA agents and FBI Agent Borelli on the first day of his questioning over the tea and cookies Rauf Ahmad’s servant served to what he told them on the second day. It was on the second day that he was confronted with his correspondence with Ayman Zawahiri.

      The problem is that Rauf Ahmad only needed to come clean to the extent he knew he was pinned down by the documentary evidence presented him.

      Agent Borelli did not have a copy of this anthrax spore concentrate — and thus did not wring a confession of having made the concentrate in April 2001.

      It’s not the fault of the questioners or the CIA analysts back in the United States — but if Raud Ahmad had been turned over to the US, prosecutors over time could have marshalled the evidence as it became available.

      But Pakistan had a strict policy against turning over anyone — and given that Rauf Ahmad was a Pakistan government scientist, that suited Pakistan fine.

      Once Les Baillie, who had come to Maryland in Fall 2001, came to consult for the FBI’s Amerithrax Task Force, it seems that the FBI should be presumed to know of Rauf Ahmad’s work killing the mice with 100 injected spores. That is, unless Dr. Baillie’s work at NMRC was limited to discarding the CIA’s finding that the genetically matching Ames had been found at the Kandahar lab.

    • DXer said

      Who gave Rauf Ahmad the samples taken from his luggage when leaving Les Baillie’s “Dangerous Pathogens 2000″ conference? (I don’t know). FN See news reports of MI5 authorized biography. Who gave him the samples at the second lab he visited in 1999? (I don’t know)

      Was it Amerithrax scientist, UK’s Les Baillie or one of his colleagues? Dr. Baillie knew Rauf Ahmad was working with virulent anthrax killing mice with 100 injected spores — because the research was presented at the 2000 conference that Dr. Baillie organized and hosted.

      Didn’t Les Baillie work at NMRC helping Amerithrax with the repository of samples? He is the one who organized the conferences attended by Rauf Ahmad and hosted him in 2000 when Rauf Ahmad’s work with virulent anthrax was presented. Dr. Baillie, the Ames anthrax genetics expert, came to Maryland in mid-September 2001 to discuss anthrax and then came to work for the FBI’s Amerithrax investigation for the NMRC, which handled the Amerithrax samples.

      It’s time to declassify what Paul Keim and Jennifer Smith have been prevented from explaining to you.


      J Clin Microbiol. 2007 Jan;45(1):47-53. Epub 2006 Nov 8.
      Strain-specific single-nucleotide polymorphism assays for the Bacillus anthracis Ames strain.
      Van Ert MN1, Easterday WR, Simonson TS, U’Ren JM, Pearson T, Kenefic LJ, Busch JD, Huynh LY, Dukerich M, Trim CB, Beaudry J, Welty-Bernard A, Read T,Fraser CM, Ravel J, Keim P.
      Author information

      Highly precise diagnostics and forensic assays can be developed through a combination of evolutionary analysis and the exhaustive examination of genomic sequences. In Bacillus anthracis, whole-genome sequencing efforts revealed ca. 3,500 single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) among eight different strains and evolutionary analysis provides the identification of canonical SNPs. We have previously shown that SNPs are highly evolutionarily stable, and the clonal nature of B. anthracis makes them ideal signatures for subtyping this pathogen. Here we identified SNPs that define the lineage of B. anthracis that contains the Ames strain, the strain used in the 2001 bioterrorist attacks in the United States. Sequencing and real-time PCR were used to validate these SNPs across B. anthracis strains, including (i) 88 globally and genetically diverse isolates; (ii) isolates that were shown to be genetic relatives of the Ames strain by multiple-locus variable number tandem repeat analysis (MLVA); and (iii) several different lab stocks of the Ames strain, including a clinical isolate from the 2001 letter attack. Six SNPs were found to be highly specific for theAmes strain; four on the chromosome, one on the pX01 plasmid, and one on the pX02 plasmid. All six SNPs differentiated the B. anthracis Amesstrain from the 88 unique B. anthracis strains, while five of the six separated Ames from its close genetic relatives. The use of these SNPs coupled with real-time PCR allows specific and sensitive (<100 fg of template DNA) identification of the Ames strain. This evolutionary and genomics-based approach provides an effective means for the discovery of strain-specific SNPs in B. anthracis.

      The learned forensic scientist, Dr. Michael Garvey, PhD (former FBI, former CIA, current head of forensic science for the City of Philadelphia) has explained:

      “In the Amerithrax investigation, the FBI report discusses OCONUS samples that had inconsistent results for the presence of B. anthracis and possibly even indications of the presence of the Ames strain. However, these results were ultimately discarded by the FBI due to the inconsistencies in the various testing results, sampling procedures, and methodology used by the FBI and IC. As this case never reached trial and the details of this intelligence based collection is mostly classified, it cannot be fully addressed.”

      Separately he noted:

      “The reporting suggests that B. anthracis consistent with Ames strain was identified from this location. However, without full disclosure of the scientific data, one cannot ascertain whether these results are reliable. If reliable, did these results indicate the presence of Ames strain in an Al Qaeda lab from a laboratory transfer or is there an isolate of B. anthracis that is located in the undisclosed region of the world that developed similar markers to the Ames strain through parallel evolution. More importantly, these results show the importance of fully understanding the limitations of an assay in order to better explain its results.”

      Microbial Forensics and U.S. National Security: Science and Strategy
      Garvey, Michael
      Date: 2014-08

      If the CIA concluded from the molecular evidence that there was Ames at the Afghanistan lab — and the FBI discarded those results — and Ames anthrax genetics expert Les Baillie was working for the FBI on Amerithrax at the NMRC in Maryland (where the FBI repository was kept), wasn’t that a conflict of interest beyond pale?

      Dr. Garvey notes:

      “While the FBI would perform extensive investigations on each consultant in order to verify his/her suitability to assist the investigation and rule them out as a subject of the investigation, this unique aspect of the investigation could be correlated to a forensic examiner, who is suspected of a sexual assault, being consulted on and examining the sexual assault evidence in the same case.” (p. 79)

      The UK Lab That Let Al Qaeda Scientist Rauf Ahmad Leave With Virulent Anthrax in 1999 Made A Mistake; To Keep The Lab’s Identity A Secret Prevents Us From Learning From History
      Posted by Lew Weinstein on December 5, 2014

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