CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* At his civil deposition, Dr. Jahrling explained “I think there’s some questions to be asked about if that was a lyophilized powder how come the lyophilizer wasn’t contaminated.”

Posted by Lew Weinstein on December 15, 2013

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4 Responses to “* At his civil deposition, Dr. Jahrling explained “I think there’s some questions to be asked about if that was a lyophilized powder how come the lyophilizer wasn’t contaminated.””

  1. DXer said

    I have been constrained in my requests due to an inability to pay for processing — there are additional civil depositions that should be requested for processing including Dr. Jahrling. An individual requestor like Barbara or Martin or Anonymous who emailed DOJ Civil would be able to get this at no charge.

  2. DXer said

    The other USAMRIID scientists explain the issue to the same effect. See Worsham Depo. at 26.

  3. DXer said

    Stephen Little has an extensive discussion of this lyophilizer / decontamination issue at pages 44-47, and 54 of his civil deposition in Stevens v. U.S.

    • DXer said

      Mr. Little addressed the decontamination issue at some length.

      “A Decontamination of the equipment so that you can destroy all living organisms, specifically associated with the lyophilization.

      ….

      When you take something into the hot suite anything that comes out has to be deconned out if there was a possibility that piece of equipment just being in the suite of being contaminated. And if you’re, theoretically if you can freeze down that amount of material and dry it in such a short period of time it would have been almost impossible, just, and that is, but the decontamination, those records would have been associated with building engineers. You would have had records of that decon occurring.

      Q. Is a decon performed by the cleaning people as opposed to scientists?

      A Building engineers, not cleaning people.

      Q Okay. I’m sorry, the cleaning — the building engineers. And are they scheduled to do this on a periodic, regular basis?

      A. You schedule with them to set it up.

      Q. I see. So what you’re saying is — I’m just trying to understand what you’re saying is that even had Dr. Ivins been able to get this large piece of machinery into the space that you say it would have been extremely difficult for him to get it into that he would have had to have scheduled decontamination with the building engineers and it would have been noted that there was anthrax contamination; is that what you’re saying?

      A. No. Just scheduling the decon would have a paperwork trail associated with it.

      Q I, I see what you’re saying. Okay. So had he done that there would have been that existing paper trail?

      A. Yes.

      Q. And you don’t think he could have decontaminated on his own?

      A. No.

      Q. Why not?

      A. Equipment is not available to him. He needs the , I think it’s a paraformaldehyde. he needs the equipment to heat it up. He needs to be able to seal the doors and to start the time and being able to finish it before, and, you know, people show up and then you’ve got to clear the air and it takes safety to do that. No.

      Q. Just wouldn’t have the time without being noticed?

      A Um, year. That would be on aspect of it, yes.

      ****

      A Never having done it myself, I understand what happens is they do a decon overnight. The following morning they clear the room, meaning the gas is evacuated. Then they check to make sure that it is deconned. They have some sort of device in there to make sure that everything went as it was supposed to. And then it’s cleared for being removed from the airlock.

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