CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* The Passive Mouse Study Involved Up To 320 Mice And Required Observation For 14 Days ; It Seems That The Prosecutor and Investigators Did Not Understand This

Posted by Lew Weinstein on December 24, 2011

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7 Responses to “* The Passive Mouse Study Involved Up To 320 Mice And Required Observation For 14 Days ; It Seems That The Prosecutor and Investigators Did Not Understand This”

  1. DXer said

    The USAMRIID today formally refused to disclose where the mice were kept in the Bacteriology Suite B3 pursuant to this passive mouse experiment that Bruce Ivins worked on in September 2001 on the grounds that “the public interest consideration in the disclosure of such information does not outweigh preventing the disclosure of such information.”

    If USAMRIID had not withheld and destroyed the documents that would have permitted Dr. Ivins to reconstruct his time in September and October 2001, perhaps his suicide could have been avoided. They wrongly told him his emails could not be retrieved. The person forgot to provide the documents relating to activity in his suite until after the grand jury. Then key Lab Notebooks were withheld from him, courtesy of the FBI. Key notebooks from 2001 have still not been produced.

    Years later, USAMRIID now has chosen to block the path that might allow Dr. Ivins’ name to be cleared and his alibi tested. Given that the public interest clearly outweighs any countervailing interest in the identification of one animal room in the B3 suite (as it existed in 2001) versus another, USAMRIID will owe attorneys fees. The people deciding the issue appear not to understand Amerithrax or the public interest in knowing why Dr. Ivins was in the lab late on September 28, 29, 30, 2001. It was a failure to understand such operational security issues that led to the decades-long mess in the first place.

  2. DXer said

    I have asked the highly efficient FOIA officer at USAMRIID for an unredacted copy of the paragraph “Study Room” that identifies the room in the Bacteriology Suite in Building 1425 where it was conducted.

    I have explained that under (b)(6) the public interest in knowing where Dr. Ivins when Pat Fellows says he was those nights he was working with the mice outweighs the privacy of the furry little critters.

    Regardless whether the number is 305 or 310, it does not affect analysis — but the elimination of unnecessary redaction will lend clarity to those finding events from 2001 difficult to reconstruct.

    • DXer said

      The FOIA office responds that she has given RIID a suspense date of Friday.

      Until these brilliant scientists clone her, science won’t have achieved much.

  3. DXer said

    Bruce explained that such studies would involve 3X’s daily animal checks. The issue of animal checks and these animal studies is discussed in the sworn USAMRIID civil depositions.

    I previously uploaded the 302 statement stating that checking the animals was a one-person, two hour job. The suggestion that Ivins had no reason to be in the lab at night and weekends is not true. The discussion in the USAMRIID depositions is the best evidence. Only brief excerpts of those depositions was made part of the filed court record.

    From:
    To:
    Subject: Date:
    AVA
    Ivins, Bruce E Dr USAMRIID
    AVA info Monday, January 24, 2000 1:15:20 PM
    (b) (6)

    1. What should be done. a) Passive studies in mice – I would prefer that these studies be contracted out. We can provide the challenge spores and antiserum. 1) Mice = CBA/J females, 10 per group, about 20 g. Inject intraperitoneally on days -1, 0, 1, 2 and 3 with one of the following: rabbit anti-rPA antiserum; rabbit anti-AVA antiserum; human anti- AVA IgG; Normal rabbit serum; normal human IgG. On day 0, challenge subcutaneously with 10LD50s of V1B spores. Check mice 3X daily for deaths and note differences in survival as well as time to death differences. If protection is seen, repeat experiment with 10 LD50s of Ames spores. If no protection is seen, drop the challenge dose down to 3-5 LD50s of Vollum 1B spores. Enough animals should be ordered to repeat experiments. Total number of animals = 400

    b) Passive studies in guinea pigs. We can do these studies in the guinea pig animal room in B3. 1) Guinea pigs = Hartley strain, 8 males and 8 females per group, about 350 g at the time
    of the experiment. Inject intraperitoneally on days -1, 0, 1, 2 and 3 with one of the following: rabbit anti-rPA antiserum; rabbit anti-AVA antiserum; human anti-AVA IgG; Normal rabbit serum; normal human IgG. On day 0, challenge intramuscularly with 50 LD50s (5000) of Ames spores. Check guinea pigs 3X daily for deaths and note differences in survival as well as time to death differences. If protection is seen, repeat experiment with 100 LD50s of Ames spores. If no protection is seen, drop the challenge dose down to 10 LD50s of Vollum 1B spores. Enough animals should be ordered to repeat experiments. Total number of animals = 500

    c) Passive studies in rabbits and monkeys (aerosol challenge). and I would be willing to work on this with f it is decided not to contract this out.

    • DXer said

      http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/anthrax-amerithrax/USAMRIID%20Section%204.pdf

      A January 22, 2007 302 explains:

      “This week IVINS had more mouse challenges and late nights planned. … Now the Postal Service people are all over RIID. It’s very emotionally draining, (….) to know that people that that I could be or would be a killer/terrorist. I didn’t mail the spores and didn’t bioweaponize them, and I hope against hope that nobody took a strain or some spores that led directly or indirectly to the anthrax mailings.

      Now we’ve added several layers of security, including fingerprint recognition.”

      [Then a very long passage is redacted. GAO should ask to see the redacted passage.]

      Note: A 2- man rule was implemented in January 2002 causing a cessation of long hours. By this time, it had been deemed unviable and abandoned.

    • DXer said

      Dueling stories: Bruce Ivins is the anthrax killer… or not
      10:08 pm – 10/11/2011

      Read more at ONTD Political: http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/8799227.html#ixzz2le3Fsr9h
      http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/8799227.html

      This poster summarizes:

      “Definitely watch the Frontline one as they managed to get their hands on some unredacted items.

      The two biggest chunks of evidence that got blown away were the timing and the samples.

      1. The FBI pointed to Ivins lab hours right before the attack as proof that he was the bomber. Look at his using this lab at night! which he never did again… except he routinely used other labs at night all the time… as did everyone else. He was running a live mouse trial in that lab at the time. he was in there checking his animals. they don’t wait til morning!
      The FBI just lopped off the rest of the chart that showed his evening hours in other labs.

      2. He provided the FBI with a sample that didn’t match the master flask that they suspected as the source of the anthrax. He’s covering his tracks! Except that he provided them four samples, twice the number they asked for. Three of four matched the sample the FBI took of the flask. Of course the FBI was totally unable to actually handle the material themself, so they had to send it elsewhere for testing. so anywhere in process you could have had a foulup because it was out of their hands for almost the entire time.

      it’s just all over bungling.”

  4. DXer said

    In the mice study above, the study continued for 14 days “following spore challenge to allow adequate time for development of terminal disease.”

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