CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* Dr. Ivins’ January 29, 2002 302 interview statement about a visiting scientist was classified SECRET

Posted by DXer on December 2, 2011



5 Responses to “* Dr. Ivins’ January 29, 2002 302 interview statement about a visiting scientist was classified SECRET”

  1. DXer said

    I have read Dr. Ivins’ many hundreds of emails over the course of nearly a decade. Isn’t the former Zawahiri associate (who came with his colleague Michael Hayes) the only visiting scientist we know about? I called Michael and he told me “You don’t want to know.”

    But don’t we? Given that millions of tax dollars were spent on the DARPA-funded research, doesn’t the public have a RIGHT under the parallel state FOIA — to which the University of Michigan is subject — to know?

    The University of Michigan should go back to my FOIA request and see if an outside law firm agrees that it the university was correct that there were no responsive documents. (Did I use inapt phrasing? Or was the University’s response incorrect.) Because if the University of Michigan’s own investigation does not supplement its response, then it is the University of Michigan that may have legal liability. In the past couple years, I think we may have learned a bit about a University’s due diligence responsibilities. I believe, if memory serves, the relevant University official was from Saudi Arabia and returned to Saudi Arabia after this controversy broke internally early on (about the access allowed non-citzens) and was kept hush-hush. I personally understand the sensitivities and sensibilities involved. I come from a University town and my favorite people — the most talented people I know — are from faraway exotic countries, many of them noncitizens. But PC sensibilities must not stand in the way of a correct mapping of access to virulent Ames.

    James Baker, co-founder of NanoBio with the former Zawahiri associate, considers himself a lion in a jungle filled with monkeys — and has publicly said so. But when you have a former Zawahiri associate working alongside Bruce Ivins in the B3 with virulent Ames, maybe someone on the Board of Regents should ask: who did my graphics if I didn’t? Who is the puppeteer behind the curtain? (I ask only because I don’t know). Maybe the University of Michigan should understand that James Baker isn’t ferocious enough (despite his current high position in charge of international vaccines for the major international pharma company) so as to be able to stand in the way of proper document discovery about that research. 16 pages of research were not provided to the FBI until FBI until Spring 2005 when they were faxed from Art Friedlander’s telephone number (after he was given them by Bruce). But we don’t even have the lab notebook pages yet. To start, Michael Hayes’ presentations should have been provided.

    The University’s failure to produce the requested documents should give the University of Michigan serious reason to pause — because the University of Michigan was subpoenaed for those documents in late 2001 at the same time Dr. Hugh-Jone’s lab at LSU. Dr. Hamouda also worked there with various virulent anthrax strains.

    I know that the University of Michigan Board of Regents is going to do the right thing. But I assure you that now is the time to do it.

    Anthrax and Al Qaeda: The Infiltration of US Biodefense

    • DXer said

      Relatedly, all US Army investigators and FBI investigators and scientists, present or retired, afraid of embarrassing a colleague have a decision to make. They are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

  2. DXer said

    Martin Hugh-Jones, Barbara Rosenberg, and Stuart Jacobsen write that some information may not have been disclosed because it was secret and would give aid to our adversaries. I don’t have the transcript in front of me but one of the FBI scientists did in fact say that there would be information held back. Someone perhaps could find that so we can see the context. The Ivins interview above is where information he gave about research being done by a visiting science was classified SECRET. Who was that scientist?

    The oft-quoted authors write:

    “It is remarkable that there is no evidence that the FBI tried to determine the chemical forms of the tin and silicon in the attack powders, although that could have been (and still could be) done straightforwardly by spectroscopic methods. Perhaps the FBI knows the answers but has concealed them in order to keep potentially dangerous information out of the hands of adversaries.”

    • DXer said

      This former Zawahiri associate worked with virulent anthrax in Dr. Hugh-Jones B-3. I never have had the privilege of asking Dr. Hugh-Jones about the research — other than he explained to Lew, as I recall, that the work with virulent Ames was done elsewhere. The researcher worked alongside the B3 with Dr. Ivins and then aerosol experiments were conducted at Dugway and elsewhere (to include Edgewood and JHU, I believe).

  3. DXer said

    If you want to know the date that the ball was dropped and the name of the agents who did not obtain the relevant documentary material relating to the material about Tarek Hamouda’s research alongside Bruce Ivins and Patricia Fellows in the B3, you need only go to the January 29, 2002 302 statement by Dr. Iviins that formerly was classified SECRET.

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