CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* Former Amerithrax investigator Bradley Garrett, who took the lead on the Hatfill searches, rode on the plane with KSM’s nephew, WTC bomber Ramzi Yousef, upon his rendering to the US. How did Agent Garrett exclude the subtilis expert living 20 miles from the mailbox who frequently called and was called by the number associated with Abdul Yasin and Ramzi Yousef in February 1993? On the mistaken grounds that Dr. Ayman Zawahiri did not have access to virulent anthrax?

Posted by DXer on May 22, 2011

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  1. DXer said

    So was Bradley Garrett taking the lead on the Hatfill searches rather than Roth? We are told that the FBI agents are composites.

    BRAD GARRETT, FBI Special Agent: Management was convinced he was the right guy. And so as a result, there were, you know, intense surveillance — bumper-lock type surveillance — of Dr. Hatfill that went on for months.

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    BRAD GARRETT: I didn’t see any real evidence. And that, you know, obviously was troubling to me. And I had a lot of conversations with the case agents about, “Well, you might be onto the right guy, but you’re not coming up with any evidence that says he’s the right guy.”

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    BRAD GARRETT: Many people in management, in upper management, were convinced that Dr. Hatfill was the right guy — I mean, it was just very clear — and that they were not going to get off that train.

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    BRAD GARRETT: Many people in management, in upper management, were convinced that Dr. Hatfill was the right guy — I mean, it was just

    very clear — and that they were not going to get off that train.

    ***

    BRAD GARRETT: It seemed a bit of a stretch that you could track an odor, or a smell, to a location months and months and months after someone had been to a particular spot by a lake. But you know, they believed that that had some real potential.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/anthrax-files/transcript/

  2. DXer said

    Well, we now can surmise that Bradley Garrett did not exclude WS based on swabbing for the genetically distinctive subtilis. The FBI honchos concluded that swabbing suspect labs was not in the $100 million budget.

  3. DXer said

    In his brief new epilogue to his book, “SECRETS OF THE FBI, Ronald Kessler writes: “Mueller has made it clear that FBI agents must have nothing to do with the NYPD Intelligence Division.”

    It was Director Mueller, reporting to Andrew Card (Ali Al-Timimi’s former boss) each day on the Amerithrax investigation.

    It was his organization that did not tell the public that scientists working with the FBI had collected samples (throwing out Dr. Ivins’ submission) and had made a dried powder out of Flask 1029.

    It was Andrew Card’s former assistant who shared a suite with the leading Ames researchers.

    It was his lead prosecutor whose daughter came to work for “anthrax weapons suspect” Ali Al-TImimi for free.

    It was his line prosecutor forbidden to visit Al-Timimi in prison because a deal had been cut (and reprimanded when she did).

    It was the FBI that says that they could confidently rule out the subtilis expert calling Ramzi Yousef’s phone number up until the time of Blind Sheik’s arrest. .. the one who studied mutations due to nutrient starvation.

    FBI Director Mueller and the FBI closed the Amerithrax investigation.

    If you look to where bioterror drills are being done, one might come away thinking THAT a waste of money. New York City remains a principal target.

    My friend Barry Kissin would have keen insights on the fishing expeditions done by law enforcement at political meetings focused on achieving a safe and peaceful world. No one disputes that compliance with the constitution is very important. But seamless cooperating between the FBI and CIA is also very important.

    And besides, no one should doubt that NYC has its own lawyers who are as sharp as those in Washington.

    Hopefully these highly experienced professionals and their organizations have been able to strike an appropriate balance. We can hope that Mr. Kessler’s phrasing in the brief epilogue is either overbroad or dated due to lead times associated with publication.

    In the meantime, David Cohen, those living in New York City and their loved ones urge that you check Bob’s work.

    Because the FBI totally screwed up Amerithrax.

  4. DXer said

    July 6, 2012 12:55 PM

    Fort Hood review will call for FBI policy changes
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57467659/fort-hood-review-will-call-for-fbi-policy-changes/

    In the July 3 letter to Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., Judge William Webster, who was tapped by FBI Director Robert Mueller to lead the independent investigation of the shootings, said the final report will outline “18 recommendations for corrective and enhancing measures on matters ranging from FBI policies and operations to information systems infrastructure, review protocols, and training.”

    ***

    None of the e-mails specifically mentioned Hasan’s plans for a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, but because he was a member of the military the FBI showed them to a Pentagon investigator with the note “comm” written on it. To the FBI that meant “commissioned officer.” The Pentagon investigator thought it meant “communication.”

    As a result, there were no red flags that an army officer was e-mailing a radical cleric suspected of being a talent spotter for al Qaeda.

  5. Dxer said

    GAO should interview Bradley Garrett and ask him this.

  6. DXer said

    Musab Yasin in an affidavit explained that the electrical components that the FBI suspected related to the bomb were actually his.

    Did Shakir, who helped the 9/11 hijackers went they met at anthrax lab tech Yazid Sufaat’s condo in Kuala Lumpur, call Musab’s number that spring not long before the 1993 bombing? If so, who did he speak with? Yousef? Salameh? Musab Yasin? .

    http://spectator.org/archives/2006/09/22/waynes-world/print#

    ” Shakir helped at least one of the two 9/11 hijackers who came there attend an al Qaeda meeting about both the Cole bombing and 9/11. A few days later, Shakir quit the job, and the two hijackers flew to L.A. and met a man who got them settled in San Diego.

    Apparently, this same Shakir had phoned Musab Yasin’s number not long before 2/26/93. And when Qatari authorities detained him about 9/17/01, they found contact information for relatives of KSM and Yousef — and for Musab Yasin. I believe that Shakir also has ties to the close friend of Bin Laden’s who stabbed a prison guard in the eye.”

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:654vDcRhnYAJ:caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1397069.html+%22Musab+Yasin%22+electrical&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

    In his affidavit, Pilker related that the Kensington Avenue apartment contained evidence of a bomb maker.   Salameh maintains that this statement was false, and that Pilker was reckless in including it in his affidavit.

    In support of his claim of recklessness, Salameh proffered the affidavit of Musab Yasin, an electricalengineering professor who claimed to reside in the Kensington Avenue apartment.   Yasin averred that the materials discovered by the government were used in his electrical engineering studies.   He also said that he informed Pilker of this fact on two separate occasions, but Pilker failed to include Yasin’s benign explanation of the materials in the affidavit in support of the search warrant.

    • DXer said

      Former Vice President Cheney mentions Abdul Yasin in his book released today.

      He writes:

      “Saddam provided safe haven to Abdul Rahman Yasin, the Iraqi bomb maker who supplied the bomb for the first attack on the World Trade Center, in 1993.”

      Is that accurate? Didn’t Saddam throw Abdul Yasin in the brig in 1994? Is that “safe haven”? Didn’t Tariq Aziz offer to turn him over to the United States so long as the US would agree that Iraq was not behind WTC 1993? Wasn’t Abdul Yasin still in prison when interviewed by “60 Minutes” in 2002?

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904199404576538481141793772.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  7. DXer said

    The fellow reportedly excluded by Bradley Garrett and his colleagues made regular calls to this man’s apartment in the month leading up to WTC 1993. Did the subtilis expert share Abdul Yasin’s views? Did his brother? Would they be willing to turn Abdul in for the $5 million reward if they learned of his whereabouts? Abdul’s brother, and the co-author of the subtilis expert, says he knew the FBI would want to arrest his brother because his brother had taught the man who drove the bomb-laden U-Haul how to drive. But did his brother realize that his brother Abdul was in the plot and is suspected to have mixed the chemicals? His brother quite plainly explained on film that he was in on the plot.

    Abdul Rahman Yasin
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Abdul Rahman Yasin
    Born April 10, 1960 (age 51) [1]

    Abdul Rahman Yasin in 2002
    Nickname (Arabic: عبد الرحمن يس ‎)
    Place of birth – Bloomington, Indiana, U.S.
    Abdul Rahman Yasin (Arabic: عبد الرحمن يس ‎; born April 10, 1960) helped make the bombs used in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing attack. Yasin is of Iraqi heritage and grew up in Baghdad. He has been characterized in the American media as “the only participant in the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993 who was never caught.”[2]
    Contents [hide]
    1 Biography
    2 Arrival in United States, 1992
    3 Return to Iraq, 1993
    4 References
    [edit]Biography

    An American citizen of Iraqi immigrants, Yasin was born in Bloomington, Indiana, U.S., where his father came to study for a PhD. Shortly after his birth, Yasin’s family moved back to Iraq. According to university records, Said Taha Yasin, an Iraqi, attended Indiana University in 1952-53, and also from 1956-60. Yasin’s FBI report states that he is epileptic.[3]
    [edit]Arrival in United States, 1992

    On June 21, 1992 Yasin was able to use his American birth citizenship to obtain a US passport from the U.S. embassy in Amman, Jordan, and thus enter the United States.
    Recruited by Ramzi Yousef, he had acid burns on his legs and jeans from bomb chemicals.
    Soon following investigation of the attack on February 26, 1993, Yasin was picked up by the FBI on March 4, 1993, the same day as the arrest of Mohammed A. Salameh, in a sweep of sites associated with Salameh. Yasin was found in the apartment in Jersey City, New Jersey, that he was sharing with his mother.[2]
    Yasin was taken to New Jersey FBI headquarters in Newark, where he was reportedly very cool and cooperative. Agents had Yasin retrace where and how the WTC bomb had been built in New York and New Jersey.
    Yasin said he was released after giving agents names and addresses, and went to Iraq.
    [edit]Return to Iraq, 1993

    On February 26, 1993, Yasin boarded Royal Jordanian flight 262 to Amman, Jordan. From Amman, Abdul Rahman Yasin went on to Baghdad.[4]
    In Baghdad, Iraq, Yasin lived freely for at least a year. Saddam Hussein regime’s gave money and housing to Yasin. The Iraqi government later claimed he was arrested and put in prison (see CBS Stahl interview, below).
    On October 10, 2001 Yasin appeared on the initial list of the FBI’s top 22 Most Wanted Terrorists, which was released to the public by President Bush.
    On several occasions, Iraq offered to turn Yasin over to the US government in exchange for lifting UN economic sanctions.[citation needed] Tariq Aziz, spokesman of Iraq, claimed that in the 1990s all Iraq wanted in return was a signed statement that Iraq had handed over Yasin. But reportedly the statement presented to the U.S. at the time contained lengthy wording essentially exonerating Iraqi involvement in the 1993 WTC attack. Nevertheless, Kenneth Pollack of the State Department stated that there was no CIA information tying Iraq into the 1993 WTC bombing.
    With Yasin reportedly being held as a prisoner in Hussein’s Iraq, Leslie Stahl of CBS interviewed him there for a segment on 60 Minutes on May 23, 2002 (see below). Yasin appeared in prison pajamas and handcuffs. It was claimed that Iraq had held Yasin prisoner on the outskirts of Baghdad since 1994.[2]
    Yasin is believed to still be in Iraq but he hasn’t been seen or heard from since the 2002 prison interview.

    • DXer said

      http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=24551

      “During the Stahl interview, Yasin, now 40, says he is sorry for what he did and that the bombers, whom he says he met for the first time while living in a Jersey City apartment building, talked him into it. “[Yousef and Salameh] used to tell me how Arabs suffered a great deal and that we have to send a message that this is not right, to revenge for my Palestinian brothers and my brothers in Saudi Arabia,” Yasin tells Stahl. He adds that they also prodded him about being an Iraqi who should avenge the defeat of Iraq in the Gulf War.

      Yasin confirms that Yousef was the maker of the bomb used in the attack and that Yousef learned the process in a terrorist camp in Peshawar, Pakistan, before entering the United States. According to CBS News, 60 Minutes has independently confirmed that the man interviewed is, in fact, Abdul Rahman Yasin, whose picture is on the FBI Web site along with Usama bin Laden. Yasin is indicted in the United States for his participation in the 1993 World Trade Center attack.”

      • DXer said

        What does Emad Salem say about Walied and Musab of 34 Kensington? He was an informant of the FBI New York office who claims he was called off when he reported on the bomb plot and proposed that they substitute phony powder.

        Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast
        By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
        Published: October 28, 1993
        Correction Appended

        Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

        The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

        The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court in that attack.

        Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian army officer, was used by the Government to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the trade center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I. Supervisor ‘Messed It Up’

        After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, “came and messed it up.”

        “He requested to meet me in the hotel,” Mr. Salem says of the supervisor. “He requested to make me to testify and if he didn’t push for that, we’ll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn’t do that.”

        The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. headquarters in Washington about the bureau’s failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.

        “He said, I don’t think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York office to go to Washington, D.C.,” Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him.

        Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem’s account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the New York people: “Well, of course not, because they don’t want to get their butts chewed.”

        Mary Jo White, who, as the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York is prosecuting defendants in two related bombing cases, declined yesterday to comment on the Salem allegations or any other aspect of the cases. An investigator close to the case who refused to be identified further said, “We wish he would have saved the world,” but called Mr. Salem’s claims “figments of his imagination.”

        The transcripts, which are stamped “draft” and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge’s order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.

        n a letter to Federal Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Andrew C. McCarthy, an assistant United States attorney, said that he had learned of the tapes while debriefing Mr. Salem and that the informer had then voluntarily turned them over. Other Salem tapes and transcripts were being withheld pending Government review, of “security and other issues,” Mr. McCarthy said.

        William M. Kunstler, a defense lawyer in the case, accused the Government this week of improper delay in handing over all the material. The transcripts he had seen, he said, “were filled with all sorts of Government misconduct.” But citing the judge’s order, he said he could not provide any details.

        The transcripts do not make clear the extent to which Federal authorities knew that there was a plan to bomb the World Trade Center, merely that they knew that a bombing of some sort was being discussed. But Mr. Salem’s evident anguish at not being able to thwart the trade center blast is a recurrent theme in the transcripts. In one of the first numbered tapes, Mr. Salem is quoted as telling agent Floyd: “Since the bomb went off I feel terrible. I feel bad. I feel here is people who don’t listen.”

        Ms. Floyd seems to commiserate, saying, “hey, I mean it wasn’t like you didn’t try and I didn’t try.”

        In an apparent reference to Mr. Salem’s complaints about the supervisor, Agent Floyd adds, “You can’t force people to do the right thing.”

  8. DXer said

    What does Agent Garrett say about how he excluded Professor Samarrai? The US Attorney seems to suggest that it was due to a lack of access to virulent Ames anthrax.

    * Former Amerithrax investigator Bradley Garrett, who took the lead on the Hatfill searches, rode on the plane with KSM’s nephew, WTC bomber Ramzi Yousef, upon his rendering to the US. How did Agent Garrett exclude the subtilis expert living 20 miles from the mailbox who frequently called and was called by the number associated with Abdul Yasin and Ramzi Yousef in February 1993? On the mistaken grounds that Dr. Ayman Zawahiri did not have access to virulent anthrax?

    * Former Amerithrax investigator Bradley Garrett, who took the lead on the Hatfill searches, rode on the plane with KSM’s nephew, WTC bomber Ramzi Yousef, upon his rendering to the US. How did Agent Garrett exclude the subtilis expert living 20 miles from the mailbox who frequently called and was called by the number associated with Abdul Yasin and Ramzi Yousef in February 1993? On the mistaken grounds that Dr. Ayman Zawahiri did not have access to virulent anthrax?

    Posted by Lew Weinstein on May 22, 2011

  9. DXer said

    Given his rapport with Ramzi Yousef from the plane ride back to the US, was it Special Agent Bradley Garrett from the Amerithrax Task Force selected to interview Ramzi Yousef about all the calls from the subtilis expert said in 2001 to be living within 3 miles of the mailbox? Why does Mr. Yousef say Walied was calling the apartment so often?

    June 27, 1994

    SHOW: Day One (ABC 8:00 pm ET)

    ‘America’s Most Wanted’ – Fugitive Terrorists

    GUESTS: JIM DWYER, Columnist, “Newsday”; JAMES FOX, former Assistant Director, New York FBI; AHMED AJAJ [sp?]

    SECTION: News

    LENGTH: 2806 words

    HIGHLIGHT: Sheila MacVicar reports on the two World Trade Center bombing suspects who got away.

    FORREST SAWYER: We begin tonight with new information about the two men most wanted by the U.S. government. They are the subject of an international manhunt that was set off by one terrible act: the bombing of the World Trade Center.

    Just days after the disaster, we learned that those at the center of the conspiracy had been captured. Score one for the FBI. But now a Day One/Newsweek investigation suggests that the one man most responsible for building the bomb got away, along with one other mysterious conspirator. We’ve also learned that the U.S. government made a series of mistakes that allowed the conspirators to get into the country and pull off the attack.

    The story now from Sheila MacVicar.

    SHEILA MacVICAR, ABC News: [voice-over] Last month, the four men convicted in America’s worst terrorist attack were taken to a federal courthouse in New York. They would each be sentenced to spend 240 years in prison. The bomb they exploded at One World Trade Center on February 26th, 1993, caused six deaths, more than 1,000 injuries, nearly half a billion dollars in damages and lost business income. Sixteen months later, the building is repaired, business is restored and it seems the case is closed.

    JIM DWYER, Columnist, ‘Newsday’: I think that the idea that this was- these were the village idiots of the global village and we got them all in hand- I think that’s definitely the idea that we’ve been led to believe.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] But there are two men who have not been caught, two men who were crucial to the plot and who made the bomb possible. They have disappeared and are now fugitives, each with a $2 million price tag on his head.

    [on camera] The real story of the World Trade Center bombing is not just a tale of stumbling amateurs. American security officials say the conspirators in New Jersey had professional help, the skills and expertise of a trained terrorist and his accomplice. The case, as developed against them but not yet tried in court, shows how they came into this country, carried out their mission and successfully escaped. U.S. authorities had opportunities to stop them, but failed each time.

    [voice-over] The plot had its roots in Jersey City, just across the river from Manhattan. Above this storefront on Kennedy Boulevard is the El Salaam mosque. Among the worshipers there was a small group united in their hatred of Israel and America.

    By June, 1992, according to this document filed in federal court by the U.S. attorney, the group had become a conspiracy and they had a lot of big ideas. They talked about assassinating a judge, killing politicians and buying ready-made bombs.

    But the FBI knew about these plans because they had an informant named Emad Salem planted right in the middle of the group. Salem was a former Egyptian Army officer. The group planned to rely on his military skills.

    As it was becoming clear the group was both serious and dangerous, Salem and the FBI had a falling-out over how to proceed. He stopped being an informant and dropped out of the group. The FBI lost their only source on the inside. They no longer knew what the conspirators were doing.

    Day One has pieced together what the FBI could not know, as the conspirators moved from talk to action. The first thing they did was try to find someone else who knew how to build bombs. One of the conspirators began a series of phone calls day and night, $1,400 worth, first to Baghdad, Iraq, and then to Peshawar, Pakistan.

    On the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, Peshawar is a haven for gun runners, spies and veterans of the war between Afghan guerrillas and the Soviet Union. It was here that the conspirators in New Jersey contacted the man who had organized them and, investigators say, build their bomb. He is now wanted by the U.S. government. His name: Ramzi Yousef.

    JAMES FOX, former Assistant Director, New York FBI: If somebody could be called the mastermind, the bomb master, in this plot, in my view, it’s Ramzi Yousef.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] James Fox is the former director of the New York FBI. He led the investigation.

    JAMES FOX: I don’t believe there would have been a bomb without Ramzi Yousef or someone exactly like Yousef- that is, with his skills and expertise. Without that person, I don’t think they could have made the bomb work.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] The bomb-maker’s first task was to get into the United States. To do that, he needed a companion to get past American authorities at Kennedy Airport, so Ramzi Yousef found this man, Ahmad Ajaj.

    AHMAD AJAJ: [through interpreter] No one suggested I travel with him. I met him at the end of July or the beginning of August. I just wanted to get back to the United States.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] But Ajaj is now serving a 240-year sentence at this federal maximum-security prison in Florence, Colorado, for what the government says was his part in the bombing of the World Trade Center.

    The government says his involvement began when he and Yousef, using assumed names, bought these first-class tickets on a Pakistan Airways flight bound for New York. On September 2nd, 1992, their flight landed at New York’s JFK Airport. They left their first-class seats and headed for the immigration hall.

    JIM DWYER: It’s one of the great cattle calls of our society. It’s packed, the immigration hall at JFK. There are, you know, probably a couple hundred people getting off of this flight.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] Jim Dwyer is a columnist at Newsday and co-author of a book about the bombing.

    JIM DWYER: Towards the front of the line, we have our man, Ajaj, and he’s got this blatantly fake passport. One fingernail from the INS agent and she’s able to peel back the picture and see that there’s somebody else’s face really pasted onto this passport, that it’s a fake.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] Ahmad Ajaj, traveling on a stolen Swedish passport, was arrested. When Customs officers opened his luggage, the contents were startling. They found a suitcase packed with military manuals, volumes on explosives, how to make bombs, rig grenades and shoot to kill.

    JAMES FOX: I think he knew what he was carrying and I think he knew that, by those documents being in his possession, he was protecting this man who was the key man for the operation. And he did it willingly, in my view.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] At the same time as Ajaj was being arrested, Yousef, the bomb-maker, was standing nearby, still waiting to clear immigration.

    JIM DWYER: Ramzi Yousef is there in this harem shirt and big, baggy silk pants and it’s almost- it’s almost like a caricature. Why is this man drawing so much attention to himself, in a way? Maybe what we’re seeing here is the old thing about robbing a bank. If you go to rob a bank, wear some outlandish clothes and everybody’ll be looking at your clothes and they won’t remember your face.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] When Yousef’s turn came, he pulled out an Iraqi passport and asked for political asylum. The officer in the booth wanted to refuse him entry, but her supervisors overruled her, so the bomb-maker was allowed to enter the United States.

    [interviewing] What could they have been thinking of? They weren’t exactly trying to sneak in quietly.

    JAMES FOX: The bottom line is, what happened? The bomb master got in and was able to pull off the bombing. So what appears as obvious to us, as a ridiculous situation, obviously wasn’t that ridiculous.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] Ajaj, Yousef’s traveling companion, has been in prison since his arrest at Kennedy Airport. He denies the manuals were meant to be used by Yousef.

    [interviewing] You’re traveling with the guy that the FBI says made that bomb and you’re traveling with a suitcase full of bomb manuals and you say to me that that is all a coincidence?

    AHMAD AJAJ: [through interpreter] We never talked about doing anything illegal inside the United States. I was bringing those books here to mail them to others.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: Did he tell you were he was going to live in New York?

    AHMAD AJAJ: [through interpreter] He told me he would go and live with some people he knows around New York.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] Yousef, the bomb-maker, knew exactly where he was going, to this apartment building at 34 Kensington Avenue in Jersey City, where some of the conspirators lived.

    JAMES FOX: Suddenly, Ramzi Yousef comes from the Middle East and I think they all knew what Ramzi Yousef was here for. And he quickly went right to work.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] Everybody was in place, except for one last man. He would become the second fugitive. Abdul Rahman Yasin arrived just a few days after Yousef. Yasin is a 34-year-old Iraqi who has lived most of his life in Baghdad.

    Unlike the bomb-maker, Yousef, Yasin didn’t have to worry about U.S. immigration. That’s because he was born in Indiana, where his father was a Ph.D. student. As an American citizen, Yasin could simply walk into any U.S. embassy and apply for an American passport. He did exactly that in the summer of 1992 in Amman, Jordan. Three months later, he used his new American passport to enter the United States.

    By the end of September, all the conspirators were living just a few blocks apart in Jersey City. Long into the night, when the neighborhood had settled down and most were asleep, the lights at 34 Kensington Avenue continued to burn. Led by Yousef, the bomb-maker, they made their plans.

    [on camera] Even though they had no informant among the conspirators, the FBI was still concerned about their activities. They actually had members of the group under investigation. But Day One has learned that agents were turned down by headquarters in Washington when they sought permission to use wiretaps and full-time surveillance to get more information.

    [voice-over] In late November, Yousef, using yet another assumed identity, went to City Chemical Corporation to buy the materials he needed for the bomb: nitric acid, sulfuric acid, amonium hydroxide. In February, at this house, Yousef, with the help of Yasin and the others, began preparing the bomb.

    [interviewing] Why do you think they chose this- this neighborhood?

    JAMES FOX: Well, I think they were probably looking for a place they would not stand out, be inconspicuous, and the address, 40 Pan Rapao, is exactly that. It’s set back off the street, well off the street, much further back than any of the other houses. This address came to be known as the bomb factory.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] In the days before the bombing, Yousef made almost daily trips to a neighborhood bank. These images from a security camera in the lobby provide a rare look at the man we know as Yousef, the bomb-maker. Here he is, withdrawing money from a cash machine. Two days later, he is back to use the pay phone in the corner.

    The countdown has begun. He assigns an accomplice to rent a van. Everything is now ready. The time is set. 4:00 A.M., February 26th, the day of the bombing. The conspirators meet at a gas station. The bomb is in the van.

    JAMES FOX: Ramzi Yousef was in the van, making one more checklist, saying, ‘Is this right? Is this right?’ Everything had to be really well placed and it had to be done by somebody who had been trained by professional terrorists.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] They drove through the Holland Tunnel to Manhattan. Yousef and an accomplice took the van down into the garage of One World Trade Center. They locked the door and walked away.

    JAMES FOX: We’re at the B-2 level, of course, of the parking garage. This is where the van was parked when the bomb was detonated. It looks fairly well organized and clean and tidy now. On that day, it was absolute devastation. Cars were thrown around like they were tinkertoys.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: How do you think that they had the expertise to know exactly where to put it?

    JAMES FOX: I think you have to come back to the theory that someone was the key man, the mastermind. And we, of course, think it was Ramzi Yousef. And it was probably Yousef that made the determination exactly where the van should be parked.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] Investigators say that what happened next is the most compelling evidence of Yousef’s profile as a professional terrorist. Only seven hours after the bomb went off, Yousef was at Kennedy Airport, checking in for a flight to Pakistan. It was a perfect getaway.

    Weeks before, he had obtained a passport in still another assumed name and nationality. He left the United States as Abdul Basit, a Pakistani. He left behind the other conspirators.

    Within days, the FBI began making arrests. One of those taken in for questioning was Abdul Rahman Yasin.

    JAMES FOX: He was not hostile and belligerent and hateful and I think he left, in those initial hours, a favorable impression with the agents.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: The agents believed that he was cooperating.

    JAMES FOX: They felt that he could be very helpful in this investigation.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] So helpful, Yasin told the FBI about key locations in the plot, gave them names and addresses to search. Inexplicably, the FBI decided not to arrest him and, just like Yousef, he left the country. He became the second fugitive.

    JAMES FOX: I can’t explain what all we knew and what all we didn’t know at that time but, obviously, we felt it wasn’t enough to justify keeping him, at that early stage.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: But what he did that night was under his own name, go to JFK and use a plane ticket he’d bought days before and go to Jordan.

    JAMES FOX: And who can explain? We certainly can’t explain it now.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] From New York, fugitive number 2, Abdul Rahman Yasin, flew to Amman, Jordan. By late spring, 1993, he had disappeared down the highway into neighboring Iraq.

    Last week, Day One confirmed he is in Baghdad. This is his father’s house, where Abdul Rahman Yasin visits almost daily. Just a few days ago, he was seen at the house by ABC News. Neighbors told us Yasin comes and goes freely.

    In Washington, where the State Department has put a $2 million price tag on Yasin’s head, a spokesman declined to comment on what, if any, steps are being taken to bring him to justice. He said they were previously aware of reports that Yasin was in Baghdad.

    As for Ramzi Yousef, the bomb-maker, the other $2-million fugitive, from New York he flew to Quetta in Pakistan. Unconfirmed reports say he may have crossed into Afghanistan. There the trail runs cold.

    JAMES FOX: Yousef is really a shadowy figure in this whole thing. There’s so little that we know about him for certain and so much that we may never find out.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] And unless they find him, key questions, like who paid him, who trained him and who sent him on his deadly mission, may never be answered.

    FORREST SAWYER: Sheila, you’ve hit on a critical point, whether these guys were acting on their own or this may have been state-sponsored terrorism.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: Or there’s another scenario. Perhaps some state, some organization somewhere, learned about the conspiracy in New Jersey and decided that they could use it to their own ends and so they sent in a professional, like Ramzi Yousef. Until we get at least one of the two fugitives, we aren’t going to know the answer to that question for sure.

    FORREST SAWYER: Which raises another question. How cold is the trail?

    SHEILA MacVICAR: In the case of Ramzi Yousef, we believe the trail to be very cold. We don’t even know who this guy is. We don’t know his name, where he’s from- very, very little about him. In the case of Yasin is easier. We know where he is and there are some indications from sources outside this country that there have been some discussions to try to get him to come in from the cold.

    FORREST SAWYER: Sheila MacVicar, thanks a lot.

    We’ll be back in just one moment.

    ANNOUNCER: Still to come on Day One: the teacher-

    BENNETT BROWN: Electrons get pumped in-

    ANNOUNCER: -the students.

    STUDENT: Frequency times wavelength.

    BENNETT BROWN: Good.

    ANNOUNCER: They come from worlds apart and together they’re working wonders. When Day One continues.

    [Commercial break]

    The preceding text has been professionally transcribed. However, although the text has been checked against an audio track, in order to meet rigid distribution and transmission deadlines, it has not yet been proofread against videotape.

    • DXer said

      “Yousef also claims that we should find error in the District Court’s failure to redact the letter. He implies that admission of the unredacted letter put before the jury evidence of a number
      of uncharged and unrelated crimes and threats–including threats against France, Britain, and Sweden, as well as threatened attacks against American nuclear facilities–in violation of Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b) (“Rule 404(b)”).

      Although Yousef did not expressly argue before the District Court that the letter should be redacted pursuant to Rule 404(b), even if the issue had been properly presented to the District Court, we would find no error in the Court’s failure to redact the letter. Rule 404(b) provides in relevant part HN83that evidence of other crimes, wrongs, or acts is not admissible to prove the character of a person in order to show action in conformity therewith. It may, however, be admissible for other purposes, such as proof of motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake or accident.”

      While the letter provided evidence of other threats, its salient feature was the trumpeting of a motive for [**132] the crimes for which the defendants were indicted: retaliation against the United States for its support of Israel. HN84Because Rule 404(b) expressly permits evidence that establishes motive, intent, or plan, and these permissible evidentiary uses of the letter outweighed any arguably impermissible use under Rule 403, we hold that the District Court did not abuse its discretion in admitting the letter without redaction. In any event, even if the letter had been improperly admitted without redaction, we conclude that any such error was harmless since the references to other targets were “unimportant in relation to everything else the jury considered” during the trial. United States v. Rea, 958 F.2d 1206, 1220 (2d Cir. 1992) (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).

  10. DXer said

    If you read “Mastermind: The Many Faces of the 9/11 Architect, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed,” by Richard Miniter (2011), consider whether the FBI learned from the history of the missteps relating to WTC 1993. Journalists and the government do a better job recounting the history than learning from it.

    Mastermind: The Many Faces of the 9/11 Architect, Khalid Shaikh
    Richard Miniter – 2011 – History – 256 pages

    Over the next decade, … The key question: “How did a Pakistani teen-ager [Ramzi Yousef] come to know a cleric … The lack of coordination was no accident. To the FBI, the bombing was a crime. … “It is not that they [the FBI and CIA] don’t get along—it’s that they …
    books.google.com/books?isbn=1595230726…

  11. DXer said

    David Willman writes in Mirage Man:

    “Garrett made clear that the outsized focus on Hatfill came from teh top, not from agents working the case. “Particular management people felt, ‘He is the right guy. … [Y]ou can’t pull upo another hundred agentss and say, ‘You go work these ]leads] that these agents can’t, because they’re just focused on Hatfill.” (p. 185)

    Did Agent Garrett have time to check this lead about the subtilis expert who so frequently called and was called by the number associated anthrax planner KSM’s nephew, Ramzi Yousef, leading up to the WTC 1993 bombing? Or was the top-down direction to pursue Hatfill undermine his being able as a practical matter from pursuing the lead.

  12. Zicon said

    All hypothetically speaking… Just opinions or questions…

    How much more embarrassing could things get for the government.. In opinion even if one were to combine all the wikileaks together that would be child play compared to what just might be lingering somewhere… So I’d say in opinion that we havne’t seen anything yet as far as information is concerned that perhaps needs to be known… I’d like to say otherwise but….

    Has there been any request for the visitors log not just at USAMRIID, but at DUGWAY, BATTEL, S.N.L, & even Porton Down too… Along with the small handfull of labs in other countries as well that has had any dealings at all with any strain of anthrax…With all the foriegn/domestic diplomats being listed too that have gotten access inside any US owned lab Gov. or Private? Over the last 2-3 plus decades? Looking back to when the very first strain was identified as teh AMES strain, is very important, and if accountability can’t be confirmend, then bottom line there’s no way in hell that based on what the FBI has presented could ever prove Bruce Ivins guilty… And man what I wouldn’t give to sit on a jury in high profile cases like this… It does take a special individual that can be truely impartial to all things…

    Also have there been any formal request of all kinds including FOIA’s for all the Finanical reports from the accounting Payables & Recievables, basing everything that comes in or out that could very well prove guilt or innocense for Bruce Ivins at USAMRIID? Since this is where Bruce Ivins worked and the FBI is saying that he is their man? Which is crap, from what the FBI has presented to the public and everyone else, and you (FBI/DOJ) know it..That go all the way back from when the 1st strain of anthrax down to the strain that is in question arrived on Ft. Detrick @ USAMRIID? Those right there could answer a lot of unanswered questions… I’m just curious has anyone gone down that road yet? If not… Perhaps some things can get started for others. Depending on if anyone wants to venture down that road… I’m guessing the requirements would be a huge set of balls for this one…As Lt. General Drysdale has shown from growing tired of being fed pure BS…As the public has grown tiresome as too. If everything gets denied. I’m guessing It could still be started… Aren’t the cell acounts for USAMRIID capped at 1/4 mill… then on to unlimited for larger projects. Care to confirm? Anyone? I’ll wait…With “patience” What about Battel? & Dugway? SNL? CIA? Wouldn’t that Intel answer many questions? Since the FBI is pointing blame on Bruce Ivins, why not question USAMRIID on these accounts? Then move on to other areas/places in/out of the US.

    A certain base format if viewing on a screen: left hand column is the amount paid to ************ middle is who/what rhs is dates ceiling amount in ********* accts is $250,000.00 to unlimited via anything higher requiring special forms for payments on all Ins/Outs Which must be approved by ******* (Example BSL-1,2,3,4 biological orders between ********/**********-Pharamcutical Companies., also DARPA, CIA, BATTEL, DUGWAY,UK, USAMRIID, SNL, etc., but most bio-aquirement is on the east coast in the US..) Small percentage is from overseas, Not only because it’s much cheaper, for stronger ties with gov./mil.pha.ch.jp.alies. Now what does that say about our own government “reinvesting” in it’s own country? Not much!!! Markup on some things in the US is overwhelming compared to the Germans/Chinese/Swiss/Japanese, etc. even after the bio-safety cost for **************** I’m going to make the opinion that there have been an awful lot of pharmacutical transactions between ************/************ that come from the east coast.

    Just asking the difficult questions and making some strong assertions for now… As has been said by other government officials with one getting quoted about the FBI’s investigation is as Lt. Gen. Drysdale from the DIA has said before and I’ll say it too “It’s F-ing BS…”

    Perhaps the growing or as of the past decade I’ll say shrinking super power doesn’t want to be the laughing stock of the world esp. China, Russia, Japan, Italy, Spain and yes even the UK with all the backroom deals that have ben going on between the US/UK and all the other countries from what has been heard and even seen through the media… Their one man show is headed down a dead end road, and time has come to pay up for the show that has disapointed everyone.. We all want a refund for getting crappy service from a misguided hoax gone wrong…

    Would one fold on a royal flush or wait to see how everyone else bets and plays their hands?

    Things would go much smoother for the US if they were just what? Upfront with everyone and didn’t lie nor hide everything from those who are keeping it afloat… I’d love to see everyone on the right/same track, but with so much crap being fed via the media to the public that comes from govs.. Who really knows who is right or wrong anymore. Would you trust your life to a government politician anymore??? I’d say Nope… I’m still pissed due to the US government discriminating against me many many years ago when trying to enlist. But was denied due to a surgery I had as a kid.. WTF.. So to me they kept me from persuing a career that I could have done some things on few know how to do… Their loss Bottom line did my own government discriminate against me.. Yes.. Did anyone within the government give a crap or did anyone care to do anything NOPE.. Did I try everything I could.. Yes. Do I still know every recruiter that tried to get me in? Oh yes… So why should I really care when they ask/want my help with something. Or answers to a problem that they can’t figure out, or how some things are known and they have no clue about how in the hell some things are known…. “hypothetically speaking of course” … Not my problem is it… So today is yet another day, and we all do what we think is right and do the very best that we can… So where does each person draw the line at? Each to their own and Good Luck…
    If these *********************’s can be proven wrong or right… I’m guessing many people would like to see if these are all just opinions or could they be spot on??? If these things can be proven Right or wrong… I among many others would probaly like to know too…

  13. DXer said

    ABC NEWS

    June 27, 1994

    SHOW: Day One (ABC 8:00 pm ET)

    ‘America’s Most Wanted’ – Fugitive Terrorists

    GUESTS: JIM DWYER, Columnist, “Newsday”; JAMES FOX, former Assistant Director, New York FBI; AHMED AJAJ [sp?]

    HIGHLIGHT: Sheila MacVicar reports on the two World Trade Center bombing suspects who got away.

    FORREST SAWYER, ABC News: Good evening. I’m Forrest Sawyer and this is Day One. Tonight: It’s not over, the worst terrorist attack ever on American soil and the man authorities say made the bomb, got away.

    JAMES FOX, former Assistant Director, New York FBI: I don’t believe there would have been a bomb without Ramzi Yousef.

    FORREST SAWYER: How did he get into America and where did he go after the bombing? A Day One/Newsweek magazine investigation.

    ***

    JIM DWYER, Columnist, ‘Newsday’: I think that the idea that this was- these were the village idiots of the global village and we got them all in hand- I think that’s definitely the idea that we’ve been led to believe.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] But there are two men who have not been caught, two men who were crucial to the plot and who made the bomb possible. They have disappeared and are now fugitives, each with a $2 million price tag on his head.

    [on camera] The real story of the World Trade Center bombing is not just a tale of stumbling amateurs. American security officials say the conspirators in New Jersey had professional help, the skills and expertise of a trained terrorist and his accomplice. The case, as developed against them but not yet tried in court, shows how they came into this country, carried out their mission and successfully escaped. U.S. authorities had opportunities to stop them, but failed each time.

    [voice-over] The plot had its roots in Jersey City, just across the river from Manhattan. Above this storefront on Kennedy Boulevard is the El Salaam mosque. Among the worshipers there was a small group united in their hatred of Israel and America.

    By June, 1992, according to this document filed in federal court by the U.S. attorney, the group had become a conspiracy and they had a lot of big ideas. They talked about assassinating a judge, killing politicians and buying ready-made bombs.

    But the FBI knew about these plans because they had an informant named Emad Salem planted right in the middle of the group. Salem was a former Egyptian Army officer. The group planned to rely on his military skills.

    As it was becoming clear the group was both serious and dangerous, Salem and the FBI had a falling-out over how to proceed. He stopped being an informant and dropped out of the group. The FBI lost their only source on the inside. They no longer knew what the conspirators were doing.

    Day One has pieced together what the FBI could not know, as the conspirators moved from talk to action. The first thing they did was try to find someone else who knew how to build bombs. One of the conspirators began a series of phone calls day and night, $1,400 worth, first to Baghdad, Iraq, and then to Peshawar, Pakistan.

    [ Comment: And these calls were billed to and/or made from the room of the subtilis expert that was excluded by the Amerithrax investigators on the grounds of lack of access to the Ames strain of anthrax. Those investigators then have withheld documents from both the National Academy of Sciences and the public (under FOIA). ]

    “On the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, Peshawar is a haven for gun runners, spies and veterans of the war between Afghan guerrillas and the Soviet Union. It was here that the conspirators in New Jersey contacted the man who had organized them and, investigators say, build their bomb. He is now wanted by the U.S. government. His name: Ramzi Yousef.

    JAMES FOX, former Assistant Director, New York FBI: If somebody could be called the mastermind, the bomb master, in this plot, in my view, it’s Ramzi Yousef.

    SHEILA MacVICAR: [voice-over] James Fox is the former director of the New York FBI. He led the investigation.

    • DXer said

      What does Abdul Yasin working with KSM’s nephew to attack WTC 1993 say about why he was in such close contact with the subtilis expert?

      It took the FBI almost 10 years to admit to this mistake. It does the country no good for the FBI to wait 10 years to admit to the mistake in its conclusion relating to Amerithrax. Respectfully, the course needs to be corrected now given the threat that Dr. Ayman and Saif Adel may now use anthrax in a mass attack.

      To date, the promoters of the theory do not address the lab notes now produced that show what Dr. Ivins on the nights that the prosecutors, without basis, speculated he was making a dried aerosol. The Ivins theory was mistakenly premised on the claim he had no reason to be in the B3.

      Nor do they address the fact that the documentary evidence does not support the claim that Dr. Ivins submitted the FBIR sample. See initials.

      Nor do they address that the 2 person rule precluded the same pattern of hours in 2002.

      Nor do they address the fact that all the letters needed to support their theory of the code were not in fact doublelined. See 302 interview statement.

      Nor do they address the fact that the prosecutors falsely told Dr. Ivins that Dr. Heine had claimed he was the perpetrator, thus triggering Dr. Ivins’ rage.

      It was the FBI’s own expert who had made a dried aerosol out of Flask 1029 and yet the FBI did not even admit that in the documents produced to the NAS and disclosed to the public. Promoters of the theory just need to avoid discussing it. That should be an indication of the inadequate cooperation that there has been in disclosing material documents and information that would permit sound analysis of the Fall 2001 anthrax mailings.

      CBS, “The man who got away” – June 2, 2002

      STAHL: Did you watch them do it?

      Mr. YASIN: Yeah.

      STAHL: You wanted them do it.

      Mr. YASIN: I watched them.

      STAHL: You didn’t help because of your leg?

      Mr. YASIN: Yeah.

      (Footage of aftermath of ’93 World Trade Center bombing; photos of Yousef and Salameh; truck rental company)

      STAHL: (Voiceover) The bomb went off in the garage of the World Trade Center on February 26, 1993. Within hours, Ramzi Yousef was on a plane to Pakistan. Salameh was arrested when incredibly he went back to get his $400 deposit from the truck rental company.

      Was there a plan for what would happen after the explosion? Was there a getaway plan? Was there a–a rehearsal of what you would say if the police came?

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) No, there was no specific plan. Ramzi Yousef did the operation and ran off. He left the others to their fate. He did not care. He just left.

      STAHL: So you were on your own? You were all on your own.

      Mr. YASIN: Yeah.

      (Footage of FBI personnel; Kensington Avenue street sign; documents; investigation site)

      STAHL: (Voiceover) A couple of days later, the FBI came calling. He says they broke into his apartment, tied him up and conducted a thorough search. What they found, according to court filings, were traces of the bomb explosives on a scale, a tool box and a shirt. From the trash outside, they found the jeans he was wearing when he spilled acid on his leg and torn pieces of a map showing the route to Yousef’s other apartment. Before any of this could be analyzed, the FBI agents took Yasin to headquarters where during the interrogation…

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) I had an epilepsy fit and I fell on the floor.

      STAHL: An epileptic fit.

      Mr. YASIN: Yes.

      STAHL: You had a seizure during the interrogation.

      (Footage of Yasin; Neil Herman and Stahl)

      STAHL: (Voiceover) Yasin says he was cooperating, so does Neil Herman, the retired FBI agent who supervised the investigation of the ’93 bombing.

      Mr. NEIL HERMAN (Retired FBI Agent): He gave us information about associates of Mr. Salameh and several locations where there were search warrants being executed. Bomb factories had been identified, and he was a person that was giving information that we felt was of–of value to us.

      (Footage of Yasin and Stahl)

      STAHL: (Voiceover) Yasin was so helpful, the FBI released him.

      The FBI let you go?

      Mr. YASIN: Yeah.

      STAHL: They let you go?

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) He drove me back home in the FBI car.

      STAHL: Did they ever ask you if you were involved in any way?

      Mr. YASIN: No.

      STAHL: They never once asked any question about whether you took part in this in any way?

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) No. All the talking was on Ramzi Yousef and Mohamed Salameh.

      (Footage of Yasin; interview; apartment building)

      STAHL: (Voiceover) Yasin re-enforced the impression he was cooperating by voluntarily returning the next day and showing the FBI this apartment in Jersey City where the bomb was made. But the FBI agent didn’t have a search warrant.

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) He told me he could not go in because he didn’t have a warrant. ‘Your work with us is finished,’ and so he drove me back.

      STAHL: He drove you back home.

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) He drove me back.

      (Footage of plane taking off)

      STAHL: (Voiceover) So they released him again. This time he went straight to a travel agent, bought a one-way ticket to the Middle East and flew off that very night, never to be seen in the US till now.

      You fooled them.

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) I did not.

      STAHL: Somebody else would have been so nervous that they would have given away by rubbing their hands, by sweating, whatever, but you didn’t.

      Mr. YASIN: (Through Translator) I just spoke with them. I answered what they asked. It was normal.

      STAHL: Why did you let him go? You have a guy in your hands with an acid burn on his leg, who lives in the same apartment building as some of the others you know are involved. He knows names. He knows locations. Explain why the FBI let him go.

      Mr. HERMAN: It was a–a collective decision made by the–by the FBI, by the United States attorney’s office whether or not that person–there was enough information to–to hold him, and at that time…

      STAHL: Well, he had the acid burn. Wasn’t that enough? Why wasn’t that enough?

      Mr. HERMAN: Well, it was one factor. It was one piece of evidence. It wasn’t the…

      STAHL: Well, he knew all the others. He…

      Mr. HERMAN: Not all the others. He–he knew several of the others. He knew of them. There was not enough information to hold him and detain him. And the–the decision was made, and he was allowed to leave.

      STAHL: Do you look back now and–and say it was a mistake?

      Mr. HERMAN: There were several of us that did not want him to be allowed to leave, but he did. And that decision was made.

      STAHL: But a wrong decision, you concede that.

      Mr. HERMAN: It was–it was certainly in hindsight a mistake.

  14. DXer said

    How does an Ivins Theory square with the 5 most recent Lab Notebooks, which will be uploaded in full within the week or so?

    How do the investigators and scientists and prosecutors square the Lab notebook page already uploaded showing the 0% survival rate for the mice and rabbit being tended by Dr. Ivins? Have they had a chance to review the notebooks? Weren’t they instead relying on the summary file memo? The government had premised its Ivins Theory on the claim that his time in the B3 was unexplained — on the very days the animals died. Are the investigators and scientists and prosecutors familiar with the protocol for the autoclaving of dead animals in that lab?

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