CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* Where is Abdul Yasin? He taught the fellow how to drive the yellow Ryder van used in the WTC 1993 bombing and it was a phone number associated with his apartment that was used to rent the van.

Posted by Lew Weinstein on May 4, 2011

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32 Responses to “* Where is Abdul Yasin? He taught the fellow how to drive the yellow Ryder van used in the WTC 1993 bombing and it was a phone number associated with his apartment that was used to rent the van.”

  1. DXer said

    Here is the interview of Abdul Yasin. Ramzi Yousef and Mohamed Salemeh would be cooked meals by Abdul and Musab Yasin’s mother — and eat lunch and dinner with them. The Yasins were in one apartment, #4, and Ramzi and Mohammed were directly above, in #8. When Abdul Yasin spilled the chemicals on his leg. It took a week to heal and it turned his leg red, preventing him from loading the truck. The subtilis expert was in regular touch by telephone at the time of the bombing with #4.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-510847.html

    February 11, 2009 9:07 PM

    Transcript: The Yasin Interview

    ByMike Sims
    THE MAN WHO GOT AWAY IS ABDUL RAHMAN YASIN, ONE OF THE FBI’S MOST WANTED TERRORISTS, A KEY PARTICIPANT IN THE FIRST ATTEMPT TO BLOW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN 1993. THE BOMBING THAT KILLED 6 AND INJURED MORE THAN 1,000. IT WAS AT THE TIME THE SINGLE WORST ACT OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM EVER ON U.S. SOIL.

    BECAUSE YASIN FLED TO IRAQ AFTER THE BOMBING, IT’S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN MAY HAVE HAD A HAND IN THE ATTACK. THAT’S BEEN CITED AS ONE OF SEVERAL REASONS WHY THE IRAQI DICTATOR SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM POWER.

    AFTER SEPTEMBER 11TH, PRESIDENT BUSH PUT YASIN ON A NEW MOST WANTED LIST OF TERRORISTS WITH A REWARD OF 25 MILLION DOLLARS.

    WITH YASIN IN IRAQ ALL THESE YEARS, HE HAS BEEN OUT OF THE REACH OF U-S LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE MET WITH HIM…IN BAGHDAD TEN DAYS AGO.

    AND HERE HE IS – ONE OF THE MOST WANTED TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD — IN PRISON PAJAMAS UNDER HEAVY GUARD. YASIN IS ACTUALLY AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, BORN IN BLOOMINGTON INDIANA, WHERE HIS IRAQI FATHER WAS GETTING A PhD. BUT HE GREW UP IN BAGHDAD, SO WHEN HE FLED AFTER THE BOMBING, HE WAS COMING HOME. AFTER A YEAR OF FREEDOM, HE WAS ARRESTED BY THE IRAQI AUTHROTIES IN 1994. HE’S NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME, BUT THE IRAQI INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, THE MUKHABARAT, SAYS HE’S BEEN IN CUSTODY FOR THE PAST 8 YRS.

    (see co-conspirators) OVER THE YEARS THE U-S GOVERNMENT WAS ABLE TO TRACK DOWN ALL THE OTHER CO-CONSPIRATORS IN THE ’93 BOMBING, AND BRING THEM TO TRIAL, INCLUDING THE SO-CALLED MASTERMIND RAMZI YOUSEF AND A TOP LIEUTENANT MOHAMED SALAMEH. EACH OF THE SIX WAS SENTENCED TO MORE THAN 100 YEARS IN PRISON.

    (back to Yasin) YASIN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO’S YET TO BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE IN THE U-S. WE MET HIM LAST WEEK IN THIS SECRET MUKHABARAT FACILITY FOR HIS FIRST INTERVIEW EVER, WITH IRAQI INTELLIGENCE LISTENING IN.

    STAHL: Does he have to have these handcuffs? Can someone please remove them?

    HE SEEMED SHELL-SHOCKED, IF NOT TERRIFIED, A SHADOW OF THE ARMED AND DANGEROUS FUGITIVE SOUGHT BY THE FBI.

    STAHL: Did you know you were on a Most Wanted Poster in the United States?

    YASIN: Yeah.

    STAHL: Have you seen this?

    YASIN: I have seen it.

    HE TOLD US HE WENT TO THE UNITED STATES IN 1992 TO JOIN HIS MOTHER AND BROTHER IN THEIR APARTMENT IN JERSEY CITY, NEW JERSEY. IT WAS EASY TO GET A PASSPORT BECAUSE WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

    YASIN: I went back to the States to live and work there and at the same time to get treatment for my epilepsy.

    SO HOW DID HE BECOME A TERRORIST? IF YOU BELIEVE HIM IT WAS BY SHEER COINCIDENCE. HE SAYS, HE BUMPED INTO TWO FELLOW ARABS LIVING DIRECTLY ABOVE HIM IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING – RAMZI YOUSEF AND MOHAMED SALAMEH.

    YASIN: We used to drink tea together. My mother used to cook for the young men lunch and dinner. Arabic food.

    PRETTY SOON, THOUGH, YOUSEF WAS RECRUITING HIM. ROPING HIM IN THRU POLITICAL INDOCTRINATION. AS HE DESCRIBES IT, HE BECAME THE PAWN OF RAMZI YOUSEF.

    YASIN: He was not charismatic but he had a strong logic. He can convince people easily. He convinced me.

    STAHL: So you’re saying that Ramzi Yousef and Mohammed Salameh tried to politicize you. Is that what you’re telling us?

    YASIN: Yes, they tried and I was influenced.

    They used to tell me that you are an Iraqi and you have seen the destruction in Iraq. And they used to tell me how Arabs suffered a great deal, and that we have to send a message that this is not right. This is to revenge for my Palestinian brothers and my brothers in Saudi Arabia. So they talked to me a lot about this.

    STAHL: How did the operation get financed?

    YASIN: I– I don’t know.

    THEN I ASKED HOW HE GOT HIS MONEY.

    YASIN: I got some assistance money from welfare.

    STAHL: You went on American welfare?

    YASIN: Yeah.

    STAHL: You went on American welfare.

    AT FIRST, HE SAYS, THE PLAN WAS NOT TO BLOW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. RAMZI YOUSEF HAD SOMETHING ELSE IN MIND.

    YASIN: He told me I want to blow up Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

    U-S OFFICIALS SAY THEY NEVER KNEW THAT BROOKLYN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE CROWN HEIGHTS AND WILLIAMSBURG WERE ON YOUSEF’S ORIGINAL HIT LIST.

    STAHL: You agreed that killing Jews was a good idea?

    YASIN: They convinced me of that.

    SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, THE PLAN CHANGED.

    YASIN: After a while Ramzi Yousef told us to go to the World Trade Center. So we went there, walked around the parking garage and he said afterwards I have an idea that we should do one big explosion rather than do small ones in Jewish neighborhoods.

    STAHL: Now you switch to the World Trade Center. What did that have to do with Jews?

    YASIN: The majority of the people who work in World Trade Center are Jews.

    STAHL: So, in other words, the purpose was still to kill Jews.

    YASIN: In general, yes.

    STAHL: You know that Muslims work there that people of all religions worked there. All nationalities.

    YASIN: Yes.

    YASIN: I am very sorry for what happened. I don’t know what to do to make it up. My father died because of pain and sadness. It caused many troubles. I don’t know how to apologize for it.

    NOT ONLY DOES HE EXPRESS REMORSE – SOMETHING NONE OF THE OTHERS IN THE PLOT HAS EVER DONE – YASIN INCRIMINATES HIMSELF IN MORE WAYS THAN THE GOVERNMENT EVER KNEW. FOR INSTANCE–

    STAHL: You, yourself, went along to check out the Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn. You, yourself, went along to check out the World Trade Center with Ramzi Yousef.

    YASIN: We went the three of us: me, Ramzi Yousef and Salameh.

    STAHL: So you– you were involved to the extent that you were actually helping them check out the sites?

    YASIN: Yes. I used to like to go out and see places, American neighborhoods with plenty of enthusiasm. Every place they went, I went along.

    STAHL: But you knew that he was looking for targets. You– you’re making it sound like you were a tourist. You knew that he was picking out things to bomb.

    YASIN: Yes, he told me that.

    HE ALSO ADMITS TO HELPING YOUSEF BUY THE CHEMICALS AND EQUIPMENT AT THIS COMPANY IN JERSEY CITY TO MAKE THE BOMB.

    STAHL: Did you know where he got his experience?

    YASIN: He said that in Peshawar there were schools that taught–

    STAHL: Terrorist schools? You knew who you were dealing with here. You knew that he had been trained to come to the United States as a terrorist to make bombs and blow things up. You knew that?

    YASIN: I knew that after I started working with them.

    WORK, HE SAYS, THAT INCLUDED HELPING MAKE THE BOMB WHICH WAS ASSEMBLED IN A SEPARATE APARTMENT IN JERSEY CITY THEY HAD RENTED.

    STAHL: You were mixing the chemicals.

    YASIN: I never worked with chemicals before. That was not my field.

    STAHL: But you were doing it.

    YASIN: He was teaching us. He was the teacher, me and Salameh were the students under his hand.

    YASIN: At one time, during the work, acid spilled on my leg. I have — scars on my leg.

    STAHL: Can you show us?

    YASIN: I was walking wearing shoes, and it made a hole in it. My whole leg went red and inflamed. My leg took more than a week to heal.

    STAHL: Did you– did you help them load the bomb onto the van?

    YASIN: No. No, I—

    STAHL: Did you watch them do it?

    YASIN: Yeah.

    STAHL: You didn’t help because of your leg?

    YASIN: Yeah.

    THE BOMB WENT OFF IN THE GARAGE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ON FEBRUARY 26TH, 1993. WITHIN HOURS RAMZI YOUSEF WAS ON A PLANE TO PAKISTAN. SALAMEH WAS ARRESTED WHEN – INCREDIBLY – HE WENT BACK TO GET HIS $400 DEPOSIT FROM THE TRUCK RENTAL COMPANY.

    STAHL: Was there a plan for what would happen after the explosion? Was there a getaway plan? Was there a rehearsal of what you would say if the police came?

    YASIN: No, there was no specific plan. Ramzi Yousef did the operation and ran off. He left the others to their fate. He did not care. He just left.

    STAHL: So, you were on your own. You were on your own. You were all on your own?

    YASIN: Yes.

    A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, THE FBI CAME CALLING. HE SAYS THEY BROKE INTO HIS APARTMENT, TIED HIM UP, CONDUCTED A THOROUGH SEARCH. WHAT THEY FOUND, ACCORDING TO COURT FILINGS, WERE: TRACES PF THE BOMB EXPLOSIVES ON “A SCALE,” “A TOOL BOX,” AND “A SHIRT.” FROM THE TRASH OUTSIDE THEY FOUND THE JEANS HE WAS WEARING WHEN HE SPILLED ACID ON HIS LEG, AND TORN PIECES OF A MAP SHOWING THE ROUTE TO YOUSEF’S OTHER APARTMENT. BEFORE ANY OF THIS COULD BE ANALYZED, THE FBI AGENTS TOOK YASIN TO HEADQUARTERS WHERE, DURING THE INTERROGATION –

    YASIN: I had an epilepsy fit and I fell on the floor.

    STAHL: An epileptic fit.

    YASIN: Yes.

    STAHL: You had a seizure during the interrogation.

    YASIN SAYS HE WAS COOPERATING. SO DOES NEAL HERMAN, THE RETIRED FBI AGENT WHO SUPERVISED THE INVESTIGATION OF THE ’93 BOMBING.

    HERMAN: He gave us information about associates of Mr. Salameh and several locations where there were search warrants being executed. Bomb factories had been identified. And he was a person that was giving information that we felt was of, of value to us.

    YASIN WAS SO HELPFUL, THE FBI RELEASED HIM.

    STAHL: The FBI let you go?

    YASIN: Yeah. Yeah.

    STAHL: They let you go.

    YASIN: He drove me back home in the FBI car.

    STAHL: Did they ever ask you if you were involved in any way?

    YASIN: No.

    STAHL: They never once asked any question about whether you took to part in this in any way?

    YASIN: No. All the talking was on Ramzi Yousef and Mohammed Salameh.

    YASIN REINFORCED THE IMPRESSION HE WAS COOPERATING BY VOLUNTARILY RETURNING THE NEXT DAY AND SHOWING THE FBI THIS APARTMENT IN JERSEY CITY WHERE THE BOMB WAS MADE. BUT THE FBI AGENT DIDN’T HAVE A SEARCH WARRANT.

    YASIN: He told me he could not go in because he did not have a warrant. Your work with us is finished. and so he drove me back.

    STAHL: Drove you back home?

    YASIN: He drove me back.

    SO THEY RELEASED HIM AGAIN. THIS TIME, HE WENT STRAIGHT TO A TRAVEL AGENT, BOUGHT A ONE-WAY TICKET TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND FLEW OFF THAT VERY NIGHT, NEVER TO BE SEEN IN THE U.S. – TILL NOW.

    STAHL: You fooled them.

    YASIN: I did not.

    STAHL: Somebody else would have been so nervous that they would have given away, right by rubbing their hands, by sweating, whatever. But you didn’t.

    YASIN: I just spoke with them. I answered what they asked. It was normal.

    LESLEY STAHL: Why did you let him go?

    You have a guy in your hands with an acid burn on his leg, who lives in the same apartment as some of the others you know are involved. He knows names, he knows locations. Explain why the FBI let him go.

    HERMAN: It was a collective decision made by the F.B.I., by the United States Attorney’s office, whether or not that person– there was enough information to– to hold him. And at that time–

    STAHL: Well he had the acid burn, wasn’t that enough? Why wasn’t that enough?

    HERMAN: It was one factor. It was one piece of evidence.

    STAHL: Well, he knew all the others.

    HERMAN: Not all the others. He knew several of the others. He knew of them. There was not enough information to hold him and detain him. And the decision was made, and he was allowed to leave. He

    LESLEY STAHL: Do you look back now, and– and say it was a mistake?

    NEIL HERMAN: There were several of us that did not want him to be allowed to leave, but he did. And that decision was made.

    STAHL: But a wrong decision, you concede that.

    HERMAN: it was certainly in hindsight, a mistake.

    LESLEY STAHL: Monumental mistake?

    NEIL HERMAN: A mistake.

    ACCORDING TO THE IRAQIS, YASIN HAS LIVED HERE IN THIS PRISON ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF BAGHDAD FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS, SOMETHING WE WERE UNABLE TO VERIFY. IRAQI OFFICIALS HERE SAY THEY ALLOWED OUR INTERVIEW BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.

    STAHL: Did anybody from Iraq send you to the United States?

    YASIN: No, no.

    STAHL: From the government.

    YASIN: No, no.

    STAHL: Were you in touch with anybody from the government?

    YASIN: No. When I went to the United States, I had no idea about the explosion. I went there to live an ordinary life, like any other American citizen. That’s it.

    BEFORE YASIN LEFT, WE ASKED IF WE COULD GET HIS FINGERPRINTS IN HOPES THE FBI WOULD VERFIY HIS IDENTITY. THEN HE WAS RE-HANDCUFFED AND ESCORTED BACK TO HIS PRISON WHERE – AS YOU’LL SEE IN A MOMENT – HE HAS BECOME A PAWN AGAIN, THIS TIME ON A GRANDER SCALE.

    THE FACT THAT YASIN FLED TO BAGHDAD AFTER THE ’93 BOMBING OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER HAS BEEN CITED AS EVIDENCE OF IRAQ’S INVOLVEMENT, AND USED AS ONE OF SEVERAL JUSTIFICATIONS FOR PRESIDENT BUSH’S PLAN TO TOPPLE SADDAM HUSSEIN. BUT THE IRAQIS DENY ANY INVOLVEMENT, AND AS THEY TRY TO PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE, YASIN, THE MAN WHO GOT AWAY, HAS BECOME THE MAN NOBODY WANTS.

    VIDEO
    AFTER OUR INTERVIEW, YASIN WAS TAKEN BACK TO HIS PRISON WHERE, WE’RE TOLD, HE WENT ON A HUNGER STRIKE. MEANWHILE, THE IRAQIS ARE DANGLING HIM AS BAIT IN A HIGH STAKES GAME OF INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY.

    Stand-up: Saddam Hussein has been on an international charm offensive, doing everything he can to prevent and preempt, an American attack. He took steps to improve relations with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait; he’s opened negotiations on allowing the weapons inspectors back in; and, it now appears, he’s playing the Yasin card.

    AND THE DEALER IS DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER TARIQ AZIZ. HE SAYS THAT IRAQ HAS BEEN TRYING TO TURN YASIN OVER TO THE UNITED STATES, BUT CLAIMS THE GOVERNMENT IN WASHINGTON DOESN’T WANT THE 25 MILLION DOLLAR FUGITIVE.

    TARIQ AZIZ: Twice, we ask them to come and take him. They refused.

    STAHL: Is the–

    AZIZ: Which means that they are not sincere in what they are– say. They are not honest in what they are saying, you see.

    THE FIRST OFFER TO TURN YASIN OFFER, HE SAYS, OCCURRED DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION IN 1994, A YEAR AFTER THAT FIRST ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.

    AZIZ: We informed the American government that we have important information about that event. If you are interested, send a team to Baghdad to get that information.

    THEY ACTUALLY SENT AN EMISSARY TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE OFFER, BUT HE HAD FEW DETAILS. FOR INSTANCE, AZIZ SAYS, THE IRAQI EMISSARY DID NOT TELL THE U.S. THAT YASIN WAS IN CUSTODY.

    AZIZ: They did not reply. And they did not reply at all and they did not–

    STAHL: But your information was very vague, wasn’t it?

    AZIZ: Yeah, but we showed our– good will.

    STAHL: But, would you really expect them to respond to that?

    AZIZ: Well, first of all, I have to tell you that we fear that– sending Yasin back to Iraq, after arresting him, and interrogate him– interrogating him, was a sting operation.

    STAHL: You thought that the Americans were trying to sting you– by sending him back?

    AZIZ: Yes.

    STAHL: But, for what– purpose?

    AZIZ: To tell people later on, look, this man who participated in that event now is in Iraq, etc., and use it as they are doing now, using many false pretexts, you see, to hurt Iraq in their own way.

    STAHL: To w– to suggest that Iraq was involved in the bombing.

    AZIZ: Yes. Yes.

    STAHL: So, you t– you were very suspicious that he was some kind of plant, or–

    AZIZ: We have the right to– we have the right to be suspicious of the American intentions.

    HE SAYS THEIR SUSPICIONS WERE BORNE OUT AFTER SEPTEMBER 11TH WHEN YASIN WAS PUT ON THE MOST WANTED LIST. THAT, HE SAID, LED TO ANOTHER MORE SPECIFIC OFFER.

    AZIZ: Which was. In October 2001 to tell the Americans that Yasin is in Iraq.

    STAHL: How did you get that word to– to the Americans?

    AZIZ: Through two parties. Two governments. I am not going to mention names, because they asked us not to mention their names. But, the Americans know.

    U.S. GOVERNMENT SOURCES HAVE CORROBORATED AZIZ’S STORY. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT ONE OF THE INTERMEDIARIES WAS EGYPT, WHICH PASSED THE MESSAGE ON TO THE C.I.A.

    AZIZ: Told the Americans that Yasin is in Iraq, and the Iraqi authorities are ready to deliver him to the American authorities, if the American government sent a team to Baghdad. The American government said no, we are not going to send a team to Baghdad. But we are ready to receive him in the capital of that government.

    STAHL: Of this third country.

    AZIZ: Of the third country. We said, okay. We will take the man to the capital of that country, and deliver him to the American authorities. But, they should sign a paper, that they have received Yasin from the Iraqi authorities, in the presence of the third party. They refused to sign a paper. And therefore, the delivery did not take place.

    STAHL: And why did you insist on that?

    AZIZ: Because in every delivery, there should be proof.

    STAHL: Like a Fed Ex package.

    AZIZ: Yeah.

    STAHL: If the third party signed the paper? If the third party said, “We handed it over,” that’s not good enough?

    AZIZ: Ms. Stahl. If they are interested in Yasin, signing a paper is not the most important matter for them. For us, it is important. Why didn’t they take him? Why did they refuse to sign that paper?

    STAHL: Well, you think they would take him, and not admit that you had willingly handed him over.

    AZIZ: Yes. And make a false story about it.

    AZIZ SAYS IRAQ MADE THE OFFER AS A WAY OF PROVING THAT IT WASN’T INVOLVED IN THE ’93 BOMBING, AND BY EXTENSION, 9/11. THEY’RE TRYING TO PREVENT A U-S ATTACK AND PRESERVE THE GAINS THE COUNTRY HAS MADE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. IRAQ’S ECONOMY IS THRIVING. U-N SANCTIONS NOTWITHSTANDING, THE STANDARD OF LIVING HAS IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY. STREETS AND MARKETS ARE BUSTLING, AND COMMERCE BETWEEN IRAQ AND ITS NEIGHBORS IS SOARING —

    (see Washington) ALL THE WHILE IN WASHINGTON, THE DEBATE OVER GETTING RID OF SADDAM IS HEATING UP. WE ASKED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO COMMENT ON THE

    THE IRAQI OFFER TO TURN YASIN OVER. THE WHITE HOUSE TOLD US TO CALL THE STATE DEPARTMENT – WHICH TOLD US TO CALL THE WHITE HOUSE. NEITHER BUILDING WOULD COMMENT.

    SO WE TURNED TO KENNETH POLLACK WHO HANDLED IRAQI ISSUES AT BOTH THE CIA AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. HE’S NOW WITH THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS.

    POLLACK: You never want to believe too much of what the Iraqi government says.

    THAT’S BASICALLY WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FEELS ABOUT ANYTHING COME OF OUT BAGHDAD. WHEN I TOLD POLLACK ABOUT SADDAM HUSSEIN’S OFFER TO TURN YASIN OVER TO THE U-S, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME HE HAD HEARD OF IT.

    STAHL: Do you see any problem in signing a receipt?

    POLLACK: I’ve seen the Iraqis try these stunts in other areas enough to be very wary when they come to us with what seems to be a marvelous deal.

    STAHL: We think he’ll be devious, no matter what it seems to be–

    POLLACK: We know the Iraqis are devious. It’s just a matter of whether, in fact, they were being devious this time.

    STAHL: But how much do we want Yasin? There’s a $25 million bounty on his head. We say he’s one of the most wanted ever. Why wouldn’t we chance it?

    POLLACK: Well, I think we do want him a great deal. But do we wind up shooting ourselves in the foot on other aspects of our Iraq policy or our terrorism policy? And at the end of the day, might we wind up doing that and not get Yasin, which is the biggest fear. But that said, I think that the Bush Administration is well aware of the fact that some of this stuff could blow up in their faces, if they aren’t seen as being honest.

    STAHL: Yeah, but– blow up in the faces how?

    POLLACK: Well, if– if in fact, they are revealed as saying that they want Yasin, but then not going to get him when they have no good reason. If that were ever exposed it would be quite damning for the Administration’s efforts to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The rest of the world would seize on that as being an excuse to cease cooperation with the United States on our hard-line policy toward Iraq.

    STAHL: Do you think that Iraq was involved in the ’93 bombing?

    POLLACK: I’ve seen the CIA and FBI reports, and there is nothing in them to suggest the Iraqis were themselves involved in the ’93 World Trade Center attack.

    STAHL: Is it possible, is it plausible, that an Iraqi would be able to leave that country, come to the United States, perpetrate a big horrible explosion like the World Trade Center in 93, go back to Iraq, and that country, Saddam Hussein’s country, have no awareness of what he was up to?

    POLLACK: It is possible. Iraq is not as efficient a police state as certainly as George Orwell’s “1984”, his Oceania. It is possible.

    EVEN IF IRAQ IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YASIN, OFFICIALS IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ARE CONCERNED THAT SHOULD THEY AGREE TO ACCEPT THE FUGITIVE, BAGHDAD WILL UP THE ANTE.

    STAHL: They’re concerned that if they agree to any dealing, that you’ll want to have a dialogue and a negotiation. They remember what happened when the inspectors came, and you said, “Well, the inspectors can go where they want.” And then they couldn’t go where they wanted.

    AZIZ: What’s wrong in dialog, Miss Stahl? In every international crisis, all over history, people used to talk to each other. Enemies talk to each other, even when you were at war with Vietnam, and you talked to the Vietnamese.

    STAHL: But is this what you hope to gain from your offer, to turn over Yasin?

    AZIZ: I am not ashamed of that, you see.

    STAHL: But that’s true.

    AZIZ: We did what we think is correct to do.

    STAHL: One of the things that the Saddam Hussein government has been trying to do for a long time is open a back channel to the United States, to open some kind of a dialogue. Would there be anything wrong with doing that, if– if– if it started over Yasin?

    POLLACK: I think that opening any kind of a secret back channel with the Iraqi government would be a terrible mistake. They would let the whole world know that the United States had been meeting with the Iraqis in secret, and that would feed all of these fears throughout the Middle East that the United States was always looking to cut a deal with Saddam Hussein, that we really wanted to leave him in power and wanted to get out of the Gulf and that would leave all our allies in the region high and dry.

    AZIZ: No. These are fantasies, you see. It’s simple. We wanted to show our goodwill to the American people first. Look, when we talked to the third party, to the friendly third party, we did not put political dialog as a condition.

    STAHL: Is it– is– is that deal still on the table?

    AZIZ: Yes, it is.

    STAHL: It’s an open invitation.

    AZIZ: Yes, it is.

    STAHL: So, tomorrow they could say, “Fine.”

    AZIZ: Okay. Let them come and take him, the same way that we suggested to them in– last October. November.

    STAHL: All you want is a signature. A piece of paper that says–

    AZIZ: Yes.

    STAHL: “We have taken receipt of Mr. Yasin.”

    AZIZ: That’s– that’s needed. Because this is a professional way to do it.

    STAHL: And that’s all you want.

    AZIZ: Yes.

    STAHL: Nothing else.

    AZIZ: Nothing else. Nothing else.

    STUDIO CLOSE:

    A U-S INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL TOLD US LATE FRIDAY THAT IT WASN’T AS SIMPLE AS ALL THAT, THAT THE IRAQI’S PLACED – QUOTE – “EXTREME CONDITIONS” ON THEIR OFFER. THAT THEY WANTED THE THE U-S TO SIGN A LENGTHY DOCUMENT THAT INCLUDED INFORMATION ABOUT YASIN’S WHEREABOUTS SINCE ’93, AND HOW THEY HAD TRIED TO TURN HIM OVER.

    “WE REFUSED TO SIGN,” SAID AN OFFICIAL, “BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THEIR VERSION WAS INACCURATE.”

    THE U-S, HE SAID, OFFERED TO SIGN A SIMPLE RECEIPT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE IRAQIS HAD TURNED YASIN OVER TO US. BUT THEY DID NOT RESPOND.

    REMEMBER THOSE FINGERPRINTS, THE ONES WE TOOK OF YASIN? THE FBI SAID IT DIDN’T HAVE TIME TO SEARCH IN THEIR DATA BANK TO MEET OUR DEADLINE, HOWEVER, WE WERE ABLE TO VERIFY YASIN’S IDENTITY THROUGH A SOURCE WHO KNEW HIM IN NEW JERSEY.

    FINALLY: IF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DECIDES TO TAKE THE IRAQI’S UP ON THEIR OFFER AND YASIN IS TURNED OVER, DOES THAT MEAN SADDAM HUSSSEIN GETS THE $25-MILLION DOLLAR REWARD?

  2. DXer said

    There is a $5 million reward under the Rewards For Justice program for information leading to the arrest of Abdul Yasin.

    • DXer said

      Here is some background on WTC 1993. If we don’t learn from history, we are bound to repeat it.

      For the following five months Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammed Salameh, Nidal Ayyad and Abdel Yasin obtained the ingredients for and built a Urea Nitrate Fuel Oil bomb, enhanced by large gas cylinders packed around the main charge. However, this US prosecution story is far from conclusive. In 1995 the Department of Justice, of which the FBI is a part, began investigating their crime laboratory amid allegations that forensic investigations had been manipulated to support desired prosecution cases. After an eighteen month investigation the DOJ concluded that the problems were ‘extremely serious and significant’, and that in the WTC bombing investigation the investigator David Williams:

      “gave inaccurate and incomplete testimony and testified to invalid opinions that appeared tailored to the most incriminating result.” – NY Times

      You can read the DOJ’s Office of the Inspector General’s report here. At the 1994 WTC bombing trial of four conspirators (Salameh et al.) the most specific allegations came from Special Agent Frederic Whitehurst:

      Q: “During your examination of the bomb residue materials and the chemicals associated with the defendants, you became aware that the FBI agents investigating the case had developed a preliminary theory that the bomb that blew up the World Trade Center was a urea nitrate bomb?”
      A: “Yes, that is correct.”
      Q: “Did there come a time when you began to experience pressure from within the FBI to reach certain conclusions that supported that theory of the investigation?”
      A: “Yes, that is correct.”
      Q: “In other words, you began to experience pressure on you to say that the explosion was caused by a urea nitrate bomb?”
      A: “Yes, that is correct.”
      Q: “And you were aware that such a finding would strengthen the prosecution of the defendants who were on trial, who were going on trial in that case, correct?”
      A: “Absolutely.” – Testimony of Frederic Whitehurst

      … In May 1994 Salameh, Ayyad, Abouhalima and Ajaj were convicted of carrying out the attack. In October 1995 the Blind Sheikh was convicted of masterminding a ‘seditious conspiracy’ including the 1993 bombing and the Kahane murder. Ramzi Yousef remained at large until February 1995, and was convicted in January 1998. It was at this time that KSM was first announced as a ‘major Al Qaeda operative’.

      While Yousef was on the run from US authorities investigating the WTC bombing, one of his various activities was to develop ‘Project Bojinka’. This included the creation of an improvised explosive device that could be smuggled past airport security. It used a Casio watch as the trigger so the alarm could be set hours or even days in advance, and a nitroglycerine main explosive charge designed to rupture the fuel tanks of an airliner and thus destroy the whole craft. This was ‘successfully’ tested in December 1994 on Philipines Airline flight 434. The aircraft wasn’t destroyed, probably due to the bomb being put under the wrong seat, but a Japanese businessman was killed by the explosion. Another element of Bojinka, the plan to crash a small plane laden with explosives into the CIA headquarters at Langley is identified by some as a smaller version of the eventual 9/11 plot several years later.

      Bojinka became known to US authorities after a fire in the block that Ramzi and his partner in crime Hakim Murad were using as a ‘bomb factory’. After they fled the apartment block, Ramzi sent Murad back into the building to retrieve his laptop, and in the course of doing so Murad was arrested. During his interrogation he explained both a plan to destroy up to 11 Asian-Pacific airliners simultaneously using the Casio-Nitroclycerine bomb, as well as a plot to steal or hijack a plane and crash it into the CIA headquarters. All of this information was passed to the FBI by the Philippines National Police, including details suggesting an expansion of the latter plot to include targeting the Sears Tower, the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.

      One of Ramzi’s co-conspirators in Bojinka was his uncle, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. KSM was initially indicted in 1996 but the indictment remained sealed until 1998, when Yousef was convicted. Despite the then $2 million bounty on his head an arrest warrant for KSM wasn’t issued until over two and a half years later, in November 2000. In the summer of 2001, at the same time as the CIA was continuing to keep the FBI in the dark about Nawaf Al-Hamzi and Khalid Al-Mihdhar, the NSA intercepted communications between KSM and alleged lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta but didn’t bother to tell the FBI.

  3. DXer said

    The fellow who rented the Ryder van gave the number that the subtilis expert was calling — that was where Abdul Yasin lived with his mother and brother. When Yasin had chemical burns from handling the bomb materials, that was where he was treated.

    Where is Abdul Yasin now?

  4. P.Campbell said

    A focus should be put on the fact that the NY Fbi office wanted to arrest both Yasin brothers, but the New Jersey FBI office insisted on releasing him. When New York FBI Chief Fox complained to Washington, Washington backed New Jersey. Fox later stated that he never trusted Musab Yasin.
    So, the question is what was the REAL relationship between the Yasins and the NJ Fbi. The NJ FBI claimed it released Abdul because he had the potential to be a valuable informant, but is it possible Abdul had been an informant PRIOR to the bombing? And if so, why did he not stop the bombing? And is this the reason the FBI has been in no hurry to track him down.

    PC

    • Dxer said

      He was in jail in Iraq after fleeing there via Jordan after the bombing. A major network interviewed him in Iraq. I would have to rematch the interview to remember it. It was silly for them to allow him to flee.

      • P.Campbell said

        Silly? Or incompetant? Or devious?. And why did Washington approve of this?
        PC

        • DXer said

          It seems they must have addressed the issue at some point. What did they say? Did it come up in hearings?

          It seems that they would have had his apartment building staked out.

        • DXer said

          It seems best to avoid making inferences and to go to the direct source. What does FBI New Jersey say as to whether he was under surveillance?

          Take the example of Shakir, who when arrested in 2001 reportedly had contact info on him for Abdul Yasin’s brother. The brothers shared the same 34 Kensington Ave address with Ramzi Yousef.

          In 2000, at the time of the planning meeting for Cole and 9/11, Shakir was the one who took two key hijackers to the condo of the future anthrax lab director.

          The CIA thought that they could “flip” Shakir and gain leverage over him. No other additional info is available and Shakir was let go after being captured in Jordan in late 2001.

          The Gay Terrorist, By Aram Roston 3/17/10
          http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/gay-terrorist

        • DXer said

          Shakir was arrested and detained briefly in Jordan. The US has an extradition treaty with Jordan. This SECRET memo describing a meeting held by FBI Director Mueller notes that the instance of its first use involved a participant in WTC 1993. The USG could have — should have? — extradited Shakir.

          S E C R E T AMMAN 003332

          SIPDIS

          NOFORN

          E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/01/2013
          TAGS: PREL CJAN PGOV JO
          SUBJECT: FBI DIRECTOR MUELLER WITH FOREIGN MINISTER
          MUASHER: EXTRADITION TREATY TO GO TO NEW PARLIAMENT

          Classified By: PolCouns Doug Silliman for reasons 1.5 (B) and (D)

          ——————————————— —
          EXTRADITION TREATY TO NEW PARLIAMENT FOR APPROVAL
          ——————————————— —-

          ¶1. (C) FBI Director Robert Mueller met June 1 with
          Jordanian Foreign Minister Marwan Muasher. The Ambassador,
          Mueller’s Special Assistant Solomon, Executive Assistant
          Director D’Amuro, LEGATT, and PolCouns accompanied Mueller.
          Muasher’s Personal Assistant Ali al-Ayed and MFA Legal
          Advisor Samer Naber joined on the Jordanian side. Mueller
          praised Jordan for its law enforcement and intelligence
          cooperation over many years, especially on counterterrorism.
          He expressed the great importance the USG places on the
          Jordan-U.S. bilateral extradition treaty, and hoped that the
          U.S. and Jordan could soon overcome the impediments to full
          implementation of the treaty.

          ¶2. (C) Muasher admitted that the treaty had run into
          problems in 1995. Jordan had brought the treaty into force
          without Parliamentary approval, and several members of
          Parliament had “made a big fuss” when the first person to be
          extradited to the U.S. was a high-profile suspect in the 1993
          WTC bombing.

    • Dxer said

      Do you have a link for the Fox quote?

  5. P.Campbell said

    They lived at the same address. I did not mean they shared an apartment. And they lived at the same address until recently. Musab teaches computer technology at another NY iniversity. And he and Samarrai have published papers together on various types of virus. Samarrai was a graduate student at Hunter — he was getting a masters at the time; he was not a student who lived there. He had an address in Brooklyn and Jersey City. I have the sources. You are wating your time e mailing Samarrai.

    • Dxer said

      Thanks very much for the info. I had seen the article you mention but did not notice the coauthor.

      That phone call was made using an office phone rather than from a dorm room? Is there a citable source re this point?

      What apartment did ws live in on Kensington? The super, I think, or a neighbor, said the men in #4 and #8 knew each other. The apartments were above/below each other.

      What genetic strain of subtilis did ws work with in 2001? There was a subtilis contaminant in the mailed anthrax.

      Was ws a supporter of the blind sheik?

      I think his work involved mutations upon nutrient starvation. But I’ll have to pull up his PhD.

  6. P.Campbell said

    Samarrai lived with Yousef at 34 Kensington Ave Jersey City. Musab and Abdul Yasin also lived there. The Yasins and Samarrai had lived at the same address in Brooklyn prior to the bombing, and Musab and Samarrai returned to the Brooklyn address after the bombing. They have lived at a number of addresses in Brooklyn and Queens since then

    • DXer said

      That’s fascinating, if true. But is there a citable and authoritative source? But he had a dorm room, right? And so he lived there during the school year? Am I correct that during the school year he would have been living in the dorm room so as to avoid the commute to college?

      And it would make sense in terms of the phone records, I think. With the call to Pakistan from the dorm room being billed to the Kensington Ave address. But is there a citable source? I emailed Professor Samarrai asking if he could clarify the billing records but he never responded. (Many years earlier I had emailed for his opinion on the source of the Silicon Signature but didn’t hear back then either).

      I am highly doubtful that for the next 20 years they would have continued living together given that as people get older they tend to set up their own residences, even if sharing a residence while a college student. In 1993, he would have been a student going to school. 20 years later he is a highly regarded and very popular professor who has innovative ideas about teaching — with taped videos he has made with a colleague from Afghanistan, students from Afghanistan will be able to learn microbiology remotely. (If they did, it seems it would be verifiable by telephone directories).

  7. DXer said

    The subtilis expert frequently called Abdul Yasin’s apartment throughout February 1993.

    In late January 1993, Ramzi Yousef, KSM’s nephew, gave Abdul Yasin’s apartment as his address upon a car accident.

    Did the subtilis expert ever happen to have contact with Ramzi Yousef in the course of all those calls? I emailed yesterday to ask his reason for calling the apartment and the Red Crescent in Islamabad but have not yet heard back.

    • DXer said

      The FBI reports it was able to exclude:

      “A foreign-born scientist with particular expertise working with a Bacillus anthracis simulant known as Bacillus subtilis, and against whom there were allegations that s/he had connections with several individuals affiliated with the al-Qaeda and Ansar al-Islam terrorist networks.”

      What was the connection to the Ansar Al-Islam network? Was Abdul Yasin connected to Ansar Al-Islam?

      Former head of the Zawahiri Task Force (and severe critic of the invasion of Iraq; see Imperial Hubris), Michael Scheuer says it is certain that experiments were done by Ansar al-Islam involving anthrax. In a television interview in January 2006, Michael Scheuer said he was 100% sure that in 2002, Ansar al-Islam was also experimenting with anthrax.

      It was also suggested that there were experiments with ricin. The militants there allegedly used it to kill donkeys and chickens, and at one point, allegedly exposed a man to the toxin in an Iraqi market and followed him home and watched him die several days later.

      What was the subtilis expert’s alleged connection to the Ansar Al-Islam network?

      • DXer said

        “Former head of the Zawahiri Task Force (and severe critic of the invasion of Iraq; see Imperial Hubris), Michael Scheuer says it is certain that experiments were done by Ansar al-Islam involving anthrax.”

        At the same time, Scheuer described an experiment with aerosolized ricin in which a man was watched after being exposed at a marketplace go home and die.

    • DXer said

      Here is a 1994 article he co-authored on subtilis. There is also a 2011 article on subtilis.

      Gene. 1994 Mar 11;140(1):91-6.
      A relA(S) suppressor mutant allele of Bacillus subtilis which maps to relA and responds only to carbon limitation.
      Gropp M, Eizenman E, Glaser G, Samarrai W, Rudner R.
      Source
      Department of Cellular Biochemistry, Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School, Jerusalem, Israel.
      Abstract
      The histidine analog 3-amino-1,2,4-triazole (AT) was used for the selection of spontaneous AT-resistant revertants of a relA mutant of Bacillus subtilis. One of these revertants, L3, showed a unique phenotype; it did not respond to amino acid starvation, like the relA mutant, but it did respond to glucose starvation by the accumulation of (p)ppGpp, unlike its parent. Genetic analysis revealed that this suppressor mutant (relA(S)) allele mapped to the relA locus at 239 degrees on the B. subtilis chromosome.

      • DXer said

        Here is a 2006 article co-authored by the subtilis expert who lived at the same address as the WTC mastermind (KSM’s relative) and the Yasin brother who also lived at the address. There is a $2 million reward for the capture of Abdul Yasin.

        Computer Model of the Gene Control in Lambda Virus Life Cycle, authored by Walied Samarrai, Sidi Beri, Khaled Amiri, and Musab Yasin. Published as part of the Society For Modeling and Simulation 2006.

        Where do Walied and Musab think him the fugitive brother Abdul to be? I believe but don’t yet have solid confirmation that Walied and Musab lived at the same address in Piscataway in 2001 — with mapquest charting it to be 6 miles from the mailbox. And so it brings us back to whether the basis for excluding Walied as the mailer was as simple as not having access to virulent Ames. I don’t posit him as mailer or processor but think his insights would be fascinating given he knew the WTC 1993 plotter and I think those responsible are supporters of the blind sheik. And given Dr. Ivins in the normal course of his duties supplied virulent Ames to a former Zawahiri associate and Dr. Ayman was working with KSM, I think excluding based on a lack of access to Ames is highly problematic. All the experts say that it would be a simple thing to walk out of a lab with and then grow.

        • DXer said

          The reward has been increased to “up to $5 million” under the Rewards for Justice program.

          CAUTION
          Abdul Rahman Yasin is wanted for his alleged participation in the terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center, New York City, on February 26, 1993, which resulted in six deaths, the wounding of numerous individuals, and the significant destruction of property and commerce.

          REWARD
          The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $5 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Abdul Rahman Yasin.

          SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS
          If you have any information concerning this person, please contact your local FBI office or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate.

        • DXer said

          What was Walied alleged connection to Ansar? Was it Abdul Yasin? Did Abdul call KSM at Saudi Red Crescent (it was night in Pakistan) from Walied’s office at Hunter reporting on the bombing? If Abdul didn’t, who did make that call?

  8. There have been criticisms of Peter Lance. I am not sure what to think.

    Dxer, have you read this piece?

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2006/12/08/peter_lances_flawed_triple_cro/

    What do you think?

    Also on Patrick Fitzgerald’s criticism of Peter Lance? Do you have an opinion on the substance of his claims?

    • DXer said

      I think Peter Lance (whose TRIPLE X was fascinating), J.M. Berger (whose FOIA requests I recently praised), and Patrick Fitzgerald (whose prosecutions are acclaimed) all do great work.

      To not appreciate the importance of Ali Mohammed (and his recruitment and training of US operatives) is to miss the story entirely. … especially as to Amerithrax. To include the importance of Brooklyn prior to 1993 WTC.

      Despite their disagreements — to include the points made by the author in the TPM piece you link — none of these four people do and would be worthy sources on the subject.

      Hindsight is 20/20. Mistakes will always be made. The focus has to be on avoiding the next attack, not criticizing others (beyond what is necessary to point out errors that need to be corrected).

  9. DXer said

    The New York Times explains in June 1993 that Abdul Yasin’s brother had made up the name Josie for the telephone listing of the apartment where the Yasin brothers were living (with their mom) “for reasons of privacy.”

    Why was the subtilis expert calling the apartment number so often up to the time of arrest? (Subtilis contaminated the mailed anthrax and McClatchy recently ran a feature quoting a leading expert saying it was an institutional fingerprint).

    Is it the case that the subtilis expert was calling regularly the telephone number that was used to rent the yellow ryder van used in an attempt to destroy the World Trade Center? (Or was there more than one number associated with the apartment).

    What exact number appeared on the rental ryder form? And we need a picture of the actual phone records.

    Did the FBI test his work areas for the genetically distinct subtilis found in the mailed anthrax? Access to virulent Ames, of course, is critical to analysis. Did Rauf Ahmad obtain virulent Ames when he announced after his second lab visit that that the targets had been achieved? What strain was Yazid Sufaat using in Fall 2001 when told KSM that he and his assistants were vaccinated?

    As Martin Hugh-Jones explained, the genetically distinct subtilis was a signature worthy of testing on its own. It may represent an institution’s footprint according to one of the longtime leading anthrax experts in the country.

    Missing Man in Bombing Case Is Said to Be in Iraq

    By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
    Published: June 10, 1993

    A missing figure in the World Trade Center bombing case — a man said to have helped teach Mohammed A. Salameh to drive a van — is in Iraq and has turned down an F.B.I. request to return, Federal investigators and a spokesman for Arab causes said yesterday.

    Court papers call the missing man a “confidential informant” who told Federal agents that he had accompanied Mr. Salameh, the first suspect arrested, to a Jersey City apartment where traces of explosive damage were later found, and had helped Mr. Salameh, two days before the Feb. 26 blast, to learn to drive the kind of Ryder van that prosecutors say carried the bomb.

    The Arab spokesman, Dr. M. T. Mehdi, disputing a Government version of events, identified the man as Abboud Yasin, born in the United States and still an American citizen. Dr. Mehdi said Mr. Yasin did not flee but left with the knowledge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to return to his family in Iraq after answering all the F.B.I.’s questions on the bombing.

    Dr. Mehdi said that Mr. Yasin’s brother, Mousab, a former roommate of Mr. Salameh’s and an electrical engineering professor, was still in New York City and recently went to F.B.I. offices to telephone his brother Abboud in Iraq in an unsuccessful effort to get him to return.

    Law-enforcement officials confirmed that they they were seeking Abboud Yasin for further information and were aware he was in Iraq but declined to comment further. It was not clear what diplomatic efforts, if any, were being made to gain Mr. Yasin’s return.
    ***

    [Mehdi] contended that, contrary to an F.B.I. affidavit, Abboud Yasin had not taught Mr. Salameh how to drive a van but had helped him practice driving a car months before the blast.

    He also said that Mousab Yasin, who had lived with Mr. Salameh in Jersey City, had given the F.B.I. a statement saying that electrical equipment found in the apartment belonged to him and not Mr. Salameh and was for electrical engineering work — not bombmaking, as alleged in charges against Mr. Salameh.

    In comments that may dispel a lingering minor mystery about the identity of someone possibly linked to Mr. Salameh, Dr. Mehdi said that Mousab Yasin, for reasons of privacy, had made up the name of “Josie Hadas” for a telephone listing in the apartment he shared with Mr. Salameh.

    Log of Telephone Calls Billed to the

    Yasin Apartment after the bombing

    February 26: Friday (date of the World Trade Center bombing)

    No calls

    February 27: Saturday

    10:11 A.M. Mahmud Abu Halima, 1 min.

    11:05 Waly Samar, 5 min.

    11:18 From Waly Samar to Baghdad, Iraq, 5 mm.

    11:24 From Waly Samar to Leeds, U.K, 1 min.

    11:34 From Waly Samar to Islamabad, Pakistan, 36 min.

    12:13 P.M. Waly Samar, 2 min.

    12:34 From Waly Samar to Baghdad, Iraq, 45 min.

    3:31 From Waly Samar to Baghdad, Iraq, 24 min.

    4:45 Waly Samar, 4 min.

    February 28: Sunday

    12:08 P.M. Nidal Ayyad, 3 min.

    12:46 From Waly Samar to Islamabad, Pakistan, 95 min.

    8:49 Zainab Mahmod, Brooklyn, NY., 2 min.

    March 1: Monday

    11:51 A.M. Waly Samar, 1 min.

    12:24 P.M. Waly Samar, 1 min.

    1:00 Waly Samar, 4 min.

    March 2: Tuesday

    5:20 P.M. Waly Samar, 1 min.

    10:55 Waly Samar, 6 min.

    March 3: Wednesday

    11:17 A.M. Waly Samar, 1 min.

    1:17 P.M. Waly Samar, 1 min.

    5:15 Waly Samar, 1 min.

    March 4: Thursday

    12:36 P .M. Waly Samar, 1 min.

    12:59 Waly Samar, 1 min.

    1:59 Waly Samar, 1 min.

    2:46 Waly Samar. 1 min.

    10:22 Shari Bagrian, 1 min.

    10:22 Sharareh Bagherian, 1 min.

    10:23 Sharareh Bagherian, 4 min.

    10:27 Z.S. Abuasi, Rutherford, N.J., 2 min.

    NOTE: Calls listed as originating “from Waly Samar” were made from his

    dormitory room and charged to the Yasin apartment.

    SOURCE: Government Exhibit 818, United States v. Muhammad Salameh et al.

    • DXer said

      Walied Samarrai’s roots are in Jordan, not Iraq.

      • DXer said

        When I want to learn analysis carefully rooted in documents, I go see J.M. Berger. He conducts extensive FOIA requests and then makes them available in raw form.

        He asks:

        Who Called The Shots In WTC ’93?

        Sgt. Ali Mohamed Was The Right Man, In The Right Place, At The Right Time

        By J.M. Berger
        INTELWIRE.com

        The evidence for Mohamed’s role in the 1993 bombing is substantial and — by the standards of most terrorism investigations — extraordinarily concrete.

        • Mohamed trained several members of the Brooklyn terror cell responsible for the bombing, including Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohamed Salameh, and Siddig Siddig Ali, according to extensive court records, testimony and physical evidence.
        • When Ramzi Yousef and an accomplice entered the U.S. in 1992 to begin work on the bombing, they were carrying terrorist training material directly linked to Mohamed, according to physical evidence presented in court.
        • Yousef and his accomplice flew into the country after visting an al Qaeda encampment where — according to multiple eyewitness accounts — Mohamed was working as a trainer and assembling terrorist training manuals.
        • On entering the country, Yousef immediately contacted two of Mohamed’s trainees, both of whom were later indicted for the World Trade Center bombing, court records show.

        The 9/11 Commission’s final report concluded that the WTC bombing had been crafted in Afghanistan during the summer of 1992, when Yousef and Mohamed were both in the region. Yousef’s support network when he arrived in the United States consisted almost entirely of figures with links to Mohamed.

        But when the Brooklyn cell was finally indicted in 1993, Ali A. Mohamed was not one of the defendants. He wasn’t a witness. Through a tangle of intrigues, negotiations and apparent investigative oversights, Mohamed escaped prosecution until after the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa.

        • DXer said

          Three sources on WTC 1993 are:

          * Lance, Peter (2003). 1000 Years for Revenge. HarperCollins.
          * Reeve, Simon (1999). The New Jackals: Ramzi Yousef, Osama bin Laden and the Future of Terrorism. Northeastern University Press.
          * Wright, Lawrence (2006). The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11. Alfred A. Knopf. ISBN 0-375-41486-X.

    • DXer said

      In late January 2003, Ramzi Yousef got in a car accident. Not wanting to give the address of the apartment where they were making the bomb, he gave the address of the Abdul Yasin, the apartment that the subtitles expert was calling throughout February 2003. Ramzi Yousef was KSM’s nephew. This on the face of things put Walied Samarrai, subtilus expert, in frequent telephone contact with the apartment where Ramzi Yousef, KSM’s nephew, had told the police the week before that he lived. I asked Professor Samarrai yesterday why he was calling the apartment but he wouldn’t say. He hasn’t responded.

      WS Theory is a more interesting potential lead than Bruce Ivins. For example, those in fact are not Bruce Ivins’ initials in connection with the April 2002 FBIR submission and thus a central pillar of the FBI’s reasoning is built on sand. Dr. Ivins explained to the FBI that he visited the sororities when his wife was out of town. His family would have known had he travelled to Princeton overnight — there were 3 adults in the small house. Ed Lake’s suggestion that Dr. Ivins left the house wrote an email about 11: 30 p.m. … and then left the house and travelled to Princeton — returning by 7 a.m. the next day when he arrived at work … is not sound reasoning.

      In contrast, WS in response to my emailed question yesterday about where he lived in 2001, does not deny that he lived is Piscatay, 3 miles from the mailbox on Hamilton.

      Meanwhile, the United States government has failed to identify the lab that Rauf Ahmad, after attending the conferences with Bruce Ivins and others, visited and then announced to Dr. Ayman that he had achieved the targets. His reason for going was to acquire virulent anthrax.

      The government should disclose the second lab that Rauf Ahmad visited so that we can rule out Dr. Zawahiri’s and KSM’s access to the Ames strain.

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