CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

DXer: The big picture may seem complicated. But, most simply, Dr. Ivins in fact had an alibi on 9/17. That was when his group therapy met.

Posted by DXer on February 22, 2011

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10 Responses to “DXer: The big picture may seem complicated. But, most simply, Dr. Ivins in fact had an alibi on 9/17. That was when his group therapy met.”

  1. DXer said

    Ivins had group therapy sessions scheduled on both September 17, 2001 and October 8, 2001, the dates he supposedly was mailing the anthrax letters.

    Source: October 12, 2007 Washington Field Memo

    Whether he attended the meetings was not protected by the doctor-patient privilege. Before his death, it seems that the DOJ/FBI could have confirmed that he attended the sessions just as they did after his death.

  2. DXer said

    In Dr. Ivins’ September 17, 2001 email from his home computer, which was to Dr. Mara Linscott, he wrote: “I haven’t been feeling so good lately because of all that’s going on. I really can’t talk to [Diane], and I don’t say that much to [Pat] or anyone else. The group I’m in is only moderately helpful. I’m glad some of us are going to Covance tomorrow with some vaccine. It will be good to get away. I wish I had someone here that I could really open up to at times like this.”

    Ed, would you agree that he could not have been on the road to Princeton at the time of this email? We’ve agreed he could not have travelled during his workday on 9/17, his workday on 9/18 (when he was with others), or when he was at his group session. Would you also agree he could not have been on the road at the time he wrote this email?

  3. DXer said

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/fbi_appears_to_change.php

    FBI Appears To Change Theory In Anthrax Case

    By Andrew Tilghman – August 14, 2008, 1:53PM
    Last week, the Washington Post published a story that appeared to finally tie Bruce Ivins to that New Jersey mailbox where the 2001 anthrax letters were mailed — something the feds have been unable to do in their six-year investigation.

    The Post breathlessly reported in a story — headlined “New Details Show Suspect Was Away On Key Day” — that Ivins took part of the day off on Sept. 17.
    A partial log of Ivins’s work hours shows that he worked late in the lab on the evening of Sunday, Sept. 16, signing out at 9:52 p.m. after two hours and 15 minutes. The next morning, the sources said, he showed up as usual but stayed only briefly before taking leave hours. Authorities assume that he drove to Princeton immediately after that, dropping the letters in a mailbox on a well-traveled street across from the university campus. Ivins would have had to have left quickly to return for an appointment in the early evening, about 4 or 5 p.m.

    But then Glenn Greenwald over at Salon drilled down into the details and found that the whole story didn’t make any sense — and that the timeline described by the FBI and the Post may actually give Ivins an alibi, since the anthrax letter was stamped Sept. 18.
    Now today’s story in the Post appears to propose a new theory on when Ivins allegedly drove to New Jersey.
    Investigators now believe that Ivins waited until evening to make the drive to Princeton on Sept. 17, 2001. He showed up at work that day and stayed briefly, then took several hours of administrative leave from the lab, according to partial work logs. Based on information from receipts and interviews, authorities say Ivins filled up his car’s gas tank, attended a meeting outside of the office in the late afternoon, and returned to the lab for a few minutes that evening before moving off the radar screen and presumably driving overnight to Princeton. The letters were postmarked Sept. 18.

    That’s a big shift. But the Post didn’t play it that way. Today’s story emphasized the incremental development that the feds recovered human hair at the New Jersey mailbox where the 2001 letters were dropped — and they did not match Ivins.
    It’s clear that the FBI’s case against Ivins is less than airtight. The main question at this point might be whether anyone is going to make the FBI cough up any more details of its investigation. Skeptical scientists are clamoring for more details. And there’s movement from Congress, albeit slowly. The Post reports today that the House Judiciary Committee is also negotiating to hold a hearing with FBI officials. That comes on the heels of Sen. Chuck Grassley’s questions for Mueller and Attorney General Michael Mukasey last week.

    But the furor over the troubled investigation may be fading a bit. Former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD), who received one of the anthrax-laced letters in 2001, announced yesterday that he is satisfied that the FBI’s investigation was “complete and persuasive.” Meanwhile, the AP filed a story yesterday dismissing some of the doubters as conspiracy theorists, comparing Ivins to Lee Harvey Oswald.

    Comment:

    Ed,

    Do you even know what time Dr. Ivins’ group therapy group met?

    Note that if there in fact was a gas receipt showing a fill-up then it should have — and would have — been produced pursuant to FOIA and would further establish where he was at that time.

    • DXer said

      Dr. Ivins and his attorney explained that he took leave time off that day to deal with a personal matter involving Amanda.

      Now, let’s back to the time of the group therapy session? How is it — if you have taken it upon to yourself to spend each day arguing he is guilty and reasserting he had no alibi — that you do not know what time the group therapy session met given that it is in the publicly available documents? You need to take a more factual, document-oriented approach to such a critical issue as alibi.

      • DXer said

        Glenn Greenwald explained:

        http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/08/10/anthrax/index.html

        “What’s the answer to this?

        If the Post’s reporting about Ivins’ September 17 activities is accurate — that he “return[ed to Fort Detrick] for an appointment in the early evening, about 4 or 5 p.m.” — then that would constitute an alibi, not, as the Post breathlessly described it, “a key clue into how he could have pulled off an elaborate crime,” since any letter he mailed that way would have a September 17 — not a September 18 — postmark. Just compare the FBI’s own definition of “window of opportunity” to its September 17 timeline for Ivins to see how glaring that contradiction is.

        In theory (and there is no evidence for this at all), Ivins could have left Fort Detrick that night after work and driven to New Jersey, but then the leaked information reported by the Post about Ivins’ September 17 morning “administrative leave” would be completely irrelevant, and according to the Post, that isn’t what the FBI believes occurred (“Authorities assume that he drove to Princeton immediately after” he took administrative leave in the morning). The FBI’s theory as to how and when Ivins traveled to New Jersey on September 17 and mailed the letters is simply impossible, given the statement in their own Probable Cause Affidavit as to “the window of opportunity” the anthrax attacker had to mail the letters in order to have them bear a September 18 postmark. Marcy Wheeler and Larisa Alexandrovna have now noted the same discrepancy. That is a pretty enormous contradiction in the FBI’s case.”

        Ed does not even know what time Bruce’s group therapy session was!

  4. DXer said

    Someone who avoids the documentary evidence regarding alibi is like the duck yesterday who was addressing the shadow of the swan rather than the swan itself.

    18. Old stone wall

  5. DXer said

    Garofalo is ‘not funny’ on ‘Criminal Minds’ spinoff

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/sns-mct-tv-cbs-criminal-minds-suspect-behavior-janeane-garofalo-20110222,0,2075404.story

    The new team is a “red-cell unit” working off the grid and reporting solely to the director of the FBI (played by Richard Schiff in a recurring role), executive producer Deborah Spera explained when TV critics visited the set in January. Such a team actually exists, she said.

    Comment: Would an Amerithrax red cell be FBI, CIA or both? Would the wall pose a problem? What rules would apply? What rules wouldn’t?

  6. DXer said

    Group therapy –

    https://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/from-dxer-dr-bruce-ivins-had-group-therapy-sessions-scheduled-on-both-september-17-2001-and-on-october-8-2001-the-same-dates-the-fbi-says-he-was-mailing-the-anthrax-letters/

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