CASE CLOSED … what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks?

* DXer … wasn’t the July 2008 testing of semen on panties taken from an April 21, 2008 “trash cover” what drove Dr. Ivins to the rage and suicide?

Posted by DXer on January 7, 2011

 

driven to suicide?

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from DXer …

  • According to the 302 interview statements, the investigators and prosecutors knew that Dr. Ivins was suicidal.
  • Yet they chose to test panties taken on a “trash cover” on April 21, 2008 for DNA.
  • He expressed violent rage at the AA meeting on July 9 (for which the FBI either had an undercover present or a tape) only after being asked to submit DNA to compare with the semen on the panties.
  • Congress and GAO should take into account that the zealous, well-meaning investigators and prosecutors might have been motivated to cover their ass and purport to have a confidence in the case that was not matched by the relevant evidence.
  • Under principles of cognitive dissonance, that is how the mind works.

The investigators and prosecutors do not want to think

that they drove an innocent man to commit suicide.

The problem is that their evidence, viewed objectively,

was in the nature of a thong bikini

… providing no cover at all.

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15 Responses to “* DXer … wasn’t the July 2008 testing of semen on panties taken from an April 21, 2008 “trash cover” what drove Dr. Ivins to the rage and suicide?”

  1. DXer said

    Dr. Worsham testified:

    A. He was out of containment after the incident with the FBI in November of 2007. …

    Q And he had already been excluded from the biocontainment suites in 2008?

    A. It stems specifically from the November incident when the FBI came in and turned our laboratories and his office space upside down, segregated him from his family, and it was a very traumatic experience for him and I don’t think he ever recovered.

    By way of some additional background, there was a memo (that has been uploaded to the blog) instructing Ivins’ colleague that they could not discuss the matter with him.

    At the time of the November 2007, Dr. Ivins told the agents that the reason he was so physically upset was that they were going to find a bag of panties in the basement.

    The FBI then found another bag put out to the garbage in late spring 2008 — and he committed suicide after they swabbed him for DNA (even though they already had his DNA).

    Dr. Ivins committed suicide only after the FBI swabbed him for DNA to test the semen on the panties
    Posted by Lew Weinstein on April 14, 2011
    https://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/dr-ivins-committed-suicide-only-after-the-fbi-swabbed-him-for-dna-to-test-the-semen-on-the-panties/

    the FBI had already obtained Dr. Ivins’ DNA from a coffee cup on May 9, 2007. So what was the purpose of the swabbing of DNA in August 2008 to test against the semen on the panties — to mess with him even though, advised by a consulting forensic psychiatrist, they knew he was suicidal?
    Posted by Lew Weinstein on April 6, 2011
    https://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/he-fbi-had-already-obtained-dr-ivins-dna-from-a-coffee-cup-on-may-9-2007-so-what-was-the-purpose-of-the-swabbing-of-dna-in-august-2008-to-test-against-the-semen-on-the-panties-to-mess-with/

    DXer … wasn’t the July 2008 testing of semen on panties taken from an April 21, 2008 “trash cover” what drove Dr. Ivins to the rage and suicide?
    Posted by Lew Weinstein on January 7, 2011
    https://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/dxer-wasnt-the-july-testing-of-semen-on-panties-taken-from-an-april-21-2008-trash-cover-what-drove-dr-ivins-to-the-rage-and-suicide/

    • DXer said

      Dr. Worsham testified:

      “Q. Was he a person who did not like to be criticized?
      A. I can’t say he was any worse than any of the rest of us, necessarily. I don’t really think of that as being a predominant part of his personality.
      Q. Would you consider him to be a sensitive person?
      A. He was very sensitive to the feelings of other people. He was concerned about their lives and their well-being.
      Q. Did he ever indicate to you in any context any feelings that he had of anger or revenge or anything like that toward anyone else?
      A. Toward the two thousand — late 2007, early 2008 time frame, he was very angry with the FBI. And especially angry at the way he perceived that they treated his family.” (p. 60)

    • DXer said

      Q. “In terms of socialization, outside of work, how frequently would you see Dr. Ivins on a social basis?”

      A. “We often went to lunch with groups in bacteriology. There were parties during the year. My husband and I have a summer party and a holiday party. Bruce always came to that. Someone else would have a halloween party, and various functions through the year for weddings, birthdays, that kind of thing.”

      Q. “So you have been to his house, he has been to yours.”

      A. “Yes, um-hmm.”

      Q. “And somewhat frequent out-of-the-office contact through socialization, office socialization?”

      A. “Bruce liked to socialize with people in the office. I didn’t socialize as much with him as some other people, because he was active with the softball team and the bowling group and that kind of thing, and I was not involved with that.” (p. 65)

  2. DXer said

    Attorney Grafft in her “Analysis of the Search Warrants of the Amerithrax Investigation” writes:

    “the searching of Ivins’s virtual participation revealed his proclivity toward obsessing over things like
    sororities and reality TV shows. Given the wide range of data acquired by the Amerithrax Task Force,
    there was sure to be significant personal information included in the compact disc that had little
    relevance to Ivins’s possible involvement in the 2001 anthrax attacks. At some point, the question must be
    asked: to what degree may Fourteenth Amendment privacy rights be sacrificed during a search of a person’s
    “online life”? The Justice Department already endured the humiliation of a $6 million payout to
    Dr. Hatfill for privacy violations. Unfortunately, due to Dr. Ivins’ suicide, the investigation methods used
    in his case were never challenged in court.”

    • anonymous said

      “A Legal Analysis of the Search Warrants of the Amerithrax Investigation”. Is the semen on the panties mentioned? Does the paper speculate on what DOJ thought the investigative value of matching DNA from the panties found inside Bruce Ivins’ private home to Bruce Ivins was to solve the anthrax attacks?
      Doesn’t it have about as much investigative value as matching ear wax deposits from a Q-tip seized from his private bathroom? In other words – of absolutely no invesigative value whatsover.
      In reality – isn’t it obvious that the testing of the semen had only one purpose – to humilate a man that they knew had suicidal tendancies? Is that enough to warrant a wrongful death suit?

  3. DXer said

    On April 4, 2005, SSA ___ telephonically contacted IVINS at his office. IVINS advised that he has retained an attorney based on the personal focus of many of the questions in the last two interviews, in comparison to the scientific focus of prior interviews.

    His attorney was the skilled criminal defense attorney, Richard P. Bricken, in Frederick. Attorney Bricken is available to contact.

  4. DXer said

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/11/leahy-warns-against-calls-for-government-speech-restrictions/

    Leahy warns against calls for government speech restrictions

    By Chris Moody – The Daily Caller | Published: 2:20 PM 01/11/2011

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/11/leahy-warns-against-calls-for-government-speech-restrictions/#ixzz1AoVCJ1Fk

    “In a free society – the society we always want America to be – government should not and must not restrain free expression,” Leahy said during a speech in Washington, D.C. “But with freedom come responsibilities. The full flowering of democracy and freedom relies on the self restraint of each citizen, organization and group of citizens. The printed page, the radio microphone, the televised image, the TV ad, the blog posting and the Twitter feed all have the power to inspire, to motivate and to inform. They also have the power to inflame and incite.”

    Leahy, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, was speaking at Washington’s Newseum, a towering structure near the U.S. Capitol that bears a 74-foot high sign of the First Amendment on its front wall.

    Since Saturday’s shooting, however, a number of high-ranking members of Congress have made calls to curb certain types of speech that they claim may have inspired the gunman. Minority Whip James Clyburn, the third-ranking Democrat in the House, voiced support for reinstating the so-called “Fairness Doctrine,” which that would restrict private television and radio stations from airing certain types of speech and forcing them to provide equal time to opposing views.

    “Free speech is as free speech does,” Clyburn said this week. “You cannot yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater and call it free speech and some of what I hear, and is being called free speech, is worse than that.”

  5. DXer said

    Leahy: Demonizing of opponents has gone too far

    Washington, D.C. – January 11, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=13823249

  6. DXer said

    Sen. Leahy sees a downside to more security
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/11/sen-leahy-sees-a-downside-to-more-security/

  7. Old Atlantic said

    DOJ materials stated that Ivins was interested in the Thomas Butler case. Butler was, from the point of view of those sympathetic, railroaded in the worst sort of way by DOJ/FBI.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_C._Butler

    In the context of the Butler case, the DOJ/FBI panty raid did not just signal humiliation, it signalled they would go after him on many charges and some would stick by random chance.

    Thus the panty raid signalled, he was going to prison for a long time, and it wasn’t possible for him to stop it. Moreover, his prison confinement would be unduly harsh, a living nightmare. Moreover, for someone already on the edge mentally and thus not able to deal with it.

    Thus the DOJ/FBI signalled to Ivins that suicide was his only rational alternative. This is just like in ancient Rome.

  8. DXer said

    Green Hornet and Kato surprise Batman and Robin

  9. DXer said

    The Fall 2010 MICROBIAL FORENSICS

    “is dedicated to all who have lost their lives or suffered as a consequence
    of terrorism. It is hoped that this book contributes to efforts to deter
    and combat terrorism and to better prepare all of us to respond to such nefarious
    acts. To make this book a reality, we have relied upon the experience
    and input from our many colleagues who have contributed so much to the
    field of microbial forensics.”

    In the chapter on Biosecurity in the Post-911 Era, they rely on Ronald Schoutena and Gregory B. Saathoffb. The authors state that:

    “The anthrax mailings in the fall of 2001 fundamentally altered the security landscape in government and private biological laboratories.”

    That’s right, it did. It caused a massive proliferation of labs and access to pathogens — where the proliferation of labs is fueled by financial interest rather than an informed understanding of Ayman Zawahiri’s use of the cover of charities and universities to infiltrate US biodefense establishment.

    The FBI considered the case closed when a fellow known to be suicidal and hugely upset over the disclosure about the panties committed suicide when the FBI had some additional panties that had been found tested for semen.

    The dedication of MICROBIAL FORENSICS is empty rhetoric and the FBI and CIA’s handling of Amerithrax represents the greatest intelligence failure in the history of the United States.

    Anthrax and Al Qaeda: The Infiltration of US Biodefense
    http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1443811

    http://www.anthraxandalqaeda.com

  10. BugMaster said

    Hmmm. Using panties to produce weaponized anthrax. Now that’s one devious scenario that even I haven’t considered.

    Need to give this some thought. Maybe Ed can help us with this one.

    • Anonymous said

      I’d love to hear Ed’s explanation for why taking Dr Ivins’s DNA sample to compare with garments he threw in his own trash was of investigative value in the Amerithrax case.

      In fact, I’d also like to hear the FBI explain why it helped the investigation.

      It seems to me it has about as much investigative value as sampling his sewage outlet to see if it matches his standard urine samples. Or maybe collecting ear wax of the pillow of the bed he sleeps on to see if it matches him?

      • DXer said

        “Thinking about it now, it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the FBI’s investigation.”

        Ed is mistaken. It was the FBI that submitted the semen samples to the lab (long before they sought the DNA sample from Bruce).

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