* Who was Dr. Ivins writing to about the missing sample of Ames strain of anthrax?
Posted by DXer on May 27, 2010
The FBI’s case against Dr. Ivins is clearly bogus: no evidence, no witnesses, an impossible timeline. The real question is why the FBI persists in sticking to such a pathetic story. What are they hiding? I offer one “fictional” scenario in my novel CASE CLOSED, judged by many readers, including a highly respected official in the U.S. Intelligence Community, as “quite plausible.”
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CASE CLOSED ... what really happened in the 2001 anthrax attacks? 
DXer said
Will the FBI ever produce an Ivins or other section from the memo by Richard Lambert to FBI Director Mueller that addresses this?
DXer said
Dr. Fellows wore a wire on Dr. Ivins at the Frederick coffee shop. I would certainly read any book Pat chose to write. I think AUSA Lieber identified with Mara on that last day with Bruce and Pat at the Georgetown shop. It’s that simple.
DXer said
Was Patricia Fellows very insistent on destroyed Ames before she left? What happened to the 5 ml of missing Ames that Dr. Ivins is trying to locate?
DXer said
“The New “Biosecurity Blog”
from “In Case Of Emergency, Read Blog: A Citizen’s Eye View of Public Preparedness”
June 12th, 2010 ·
I wanted to bring your attention to a brand new blog authored by Col. Randy Larsen (ret.), Biosecurity Blog.
Randy, a friend of this blog, has an illustrious and varied career in the military, homeland security and communications. Most recently, he was the Executive Director of the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction and has, along with co-chairs Bob Graham and Jim Talent, formed the Bipartisan WMD Terrorism Research Center. They will be working to implement the Commission’s extensive recommendations. (The Biosecurity Blog’s subhead is: “Improving America’s Capability To Respond to Bio-Threats.”)”
http://www.newanthraxandalqaeda.com/
B said
Private message for Lew or DXer
Hi, maybe you could upload the AFIP and FBI reports mentioned at
https://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/armed-forces-institute-of-pathology-the-mailed-anthrax-was-not-genetically-manipulated-but-wasnt-it-microencapsulated/comment-page-1/#comment-5330
to
http://www.mediafire.com/
using this account:
user: amerithrax@investigation.com
password: ivins
Other interesting documents are welcomed very much, too.
Thanks
DXer said
B,
I’m just noticing this message from you above.
Separately, with you in mind, I have collected 87 of my favorite graphics/source documents that have appeared on Lew’s website and made them readily downloadable. (And I guess then they also are uploadable by anyone who likes.)
http://www.newanthraxandalqaeda.com/
Later today I expect to try to find the AFIP on my computer and upload it — it is larger than most email programs permit but Yahoo allows you mail it for free if you click the relevant option. If the mediafire website permits it, I’ll upload it later today. I’ll also look to see what FBI reports you mention and see if I can upload them. I think the downloadable graphics I link above are about the same size as the AFIP report (perhaps 30 MB, the best I recall).
B said
Thanks a lot
Do you have some sort of contact details? I wouldn’t like to post my official Email here. I actually don’t know what the size limit for my work address is, but I have a yahoo address, too, if this allows unlimited size mails
DXer said
My email is
ross_getman@hotmail.com
If you give me a yahoo email address, I’ll look for it and send it to a yahoo email address.
B said
There is one point which seems to be always overlooked. There was a round table discussion where one person asking questions was dancing around the point but didn’t quite hit it.
Bacterial Polymerases have a certain error rate. In terms of the letters we are talking about something in the order of 10e13 generations. That gives the culture the possibility to generate these mutations. Only 8 Samples had all 4 of the identified mutations, and severals had 1-2 mutations. The question arises: Would these samples develop all 4 mutations if subjected to 10e13 culture generations!?
From a scientific point of view every sample in the repositorium should have been grown to a number of 10e13 cells and then subjected to mutation analysis instead of doing it right away to make it comparable.
BACKGROUND OFFICIAL: we have gone through this process of going back to low passage freezer stocks.
BACKGROUND OFFICIAL: So as I recall, in letter number 1, we had wildtype, what we call
Morphotype A and Morphotype B. Item number 2, we had the same thing […] Letter number 3, we had a wildtype, Type A, B, and what we call D Morphotype, and in letter number 4, I think we had — none of them were sequenced but they were checked. The mutation that went behind the
other letters were checked for these and the islets that were found in that letter, which I think is the Daschle letter.
Looks to me like the letters did not all have the 4 phenotypes.
To my knowledge there were much more potential polymorphisms they could have looked at but selected only 4. If you look at e.g. 20 different polymorphisms, does it still fit!?
What I find quite strange is that this “strain” was only detected in USAMRIID and Battelle. Didn’t the spores from the flask originate (at least most of it) from Dugway fermeter runs? Why didn’t they then find this strain at Dugway?
B said
I just listened to the audio files of the first NAS meeting. The FBI guy appears to have a powerpoint presentation. Did anyone request presentations and audiofiles/scripts of all meetings and are at least the public session materials online available?
DXer said
Dr. Weber’s powerpoints at September 25, 2009 NAS presentation on Fe-Si relationship
https://caseclosedbylewweinstein.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/weber-powerpoint/
Dr. Michael’s and Dr. Kotula’s 41 slides
Click to access michael-kotula-anthrax-slides.pdf
FBI (Dr. Hassell) slides
Click to access hassell-slides-july-2009-nas.pdf
B said
thank you.
seems there is a hell lot of information on this blog, but somtimes hard to find…
thank’s again
Lew Weinstein said
Besides asking DXer, which is a good idea, you might try the “SEARCH” function. For instance, enter “Hassell slides.”
DXer said
B,
Here is a slideshow set to music of many of the earlier graphics. What I do is click pause to stop to read a particular graphic more closely.
http://www.slideroll.com/slideshows/members/getman/show/infiltration-of-us-biodefense-2/
B said
There is one email i found interesting: batch 56
—–Original Message—–
From:
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:12 PM
To: Ivins, Bruce E Dr USAMRIID;
Subject: Spore size
Open the attached Power Point attachment. Although we have known that agar grown spores
(Abshire) are larger that broth grown spores, it is interesting that the Leighton Doi broth grown spores
from Dugway fermenters are slightly larger than Leighton Doi broth Ivins spores grown in shake flasks.
Is there some data that the FBI has compared the spore size of the letters to samples from Dugway, Battelle and USAMRIID?
B said
The last line is a comment from me which was unintentionally included in the “cite” function
DXer said
An important scientific approach used during the FBI’s investigation was mass spectrometry relating to the toner. Such analysis can be done with a high degree of confidence — under some studies as high as 99%. Dr. Bartick and other FBI scientists and colleagues have contributed to a robust body of literature on the issue. It would be totally remiss for the NAS not to be include this in its report. It would not be directed to any particular individual to disclose in its report that the examination by Dr. Bartick and his colleagues and the FBI consultants that the machine alleged by Rachel Carlson Lieber and Kenneth Kohl to have been used was in fact not used. Rachel and Ken would then be free to imagine whatever other machine they like and then the report as to that machine could be considered.
It really is quite absurd that some think that it would take 20-40 days to make the anthrax used is somehow evidence that Dr. Ivins committed murder. Similarly, it is absurd that the fact that the genetics limited those with access to several hundred at Ft. Detrick alone is considered particularly important evidence. Instead, where there is dramatic definitive evidence in a field addressed by numerous peer reviewed articles, the toner used needs to be a focus of the NAS report regardless of the preconceptions of some when they embarked on the review.
Meeting Information
Project Title: Review of the Scientific Approaches used During the FBI’s Investigation of the 2001 Bacillus Anthracis Mailings
PIN: BLSX-K-08-10-A
Major Unit:
Division on Earth and Life Studies
Sub Unit:
Board on Life Sciences
Committee on Science, Technology, and Law
RSO:
Sharples, Fran
Subject/Focus Area:
Review of the Scientific Approaches used During the FBI’s Investigation of the 2001 Bacillus Anthracis Mailings
June 2, 2010 – June 2, 2010
Keck Center
500 5th Street, NW
Washington D.C. 20001
If you would like to attend the sessions of this meeting that are open
to the public or need more information please contact:
Contact Name: Steven Kendall
Email: skendall@nas.edu
Phone: 202-334-1713
Fax: 202-334-2530
Agenda:
This meeting is closed in its entirety.
DXer said
Documents detail mishaps at Army biolab in Md.
Associated Press
05/27/10 12:10 PM EDT
FREDERICK, MD. — Army documents are revealing details about numerous accidents involving potential exposure to pathogens at a Fort Detrick biodefense laboratory in Frederick.
Anthrax and Al Qaeda: The Infiltration of US Biodefense (May 27, 2010 draft) (440 pages fully previewable)
http://www.blurb.com/books/1385387
Lew Weinstein said
What reason is given for deleting the names and other information that has been blacked out of this and other emails? Could there possibly be a national security reason? Or is it simply to protect the privacy of people whose privacy should not be protected? We need the whole story, all the emails and other documents, nothing expunged unless there is a valid and stated national security reason.
DXer said
I believe that would be a routine deletion under (b)(6).
I believe Bruce was corresponding with Patricia F. Fellows, who I understand is identified as Former Colleague #2 in the materials disclosed.
She would be a critically important interview but I don’t know her email (and she didn’t respond when I wrote years ago) to ask her about her research involving the virulent Ames supplied the former Zawahiri associate.